Re: Does anyone use Appletalk?

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On Wed, Nov 1, 2023, at 21:27, Dan Williams wrote:
On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 13:26 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Hi Geert,

On Wed, 2023-11-01 at 13:19 +0100, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
Isn't that a bit late?

It can always be reverted...

Sure, but I'd rather see such discussions before merging the removal
patch. Best would have been to reach out to the netatalk project, for
example and ask [1]. They just released version 3.1.18 of the
netatalk
server in October 2023.

I think you mean netatalk 2.2 for appletalk support, as the 3.x
versions only implement AFP over IP, with no localtalk/appletalk
support.

It's an incredibly cool project because it allows you to replace the
expensive Apple TimeMachine hardware with a cheap Raspberry Pi ;-).

But... Time Machine debuted with 10.5 and AppleTalk got removed in
10.6; did the actual TimeCapsules ever support AppleTalk, or were they
always TCP/IP-based?

(also TimeMachine-capable Airport Extremes [A1354] are like $15 on
eBay; that's cheaper than a Raspberry Pi)

This patch only removes the Linux-side ipddp driver (eg MacIP) so if
Time Capsules never supported AppleTalk, this patch is unrelated to
TimeMachine.

If we had not removed all localtalk support already, ipddp
might have been used to bridge between a pre-ethernet mac
running macip and an IP based AFP server (netatalk or time machine).
Without localtalk support, that is not all that interesting of
course.

What this patch *may* break is Linux as a MacIP gateway, allowing
AppleTalk-only machines to talk TCP/IP to systems. But that's like
what, the 128/512/Plus and PowerBook Duo/1xx? Everything else had a
PDS/NuBus slot or onboard Ethernet and could do native
MacTCP/OpenTransport...

As far as I can tell, https://github.com/jasonking3/macipgw
should work fine as a replacement for ipddp.

     Arnd



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