Hi Andrew, On Sep 23 2014 or thereabouts, Andrew de los Reyes wrote: > Hi folks, > > More and more we're seeing touch input devices that support detection of > fingers that are above the surface and not touching. We were thinking of > writing a kernel patch for one such device. Normally we would indicate > distance with ABS_MT_DISTANCE, but we ran into the problem that sometimes > the hardware will not be able to report a distance (or will stop reporting > a distance when it's too great a number), and we had the (bad) idea to > simply report a value or 1 or 255 or something like that when distance is > unknown. FWIW, hid-multitouch already support those devices. ABS_MT_DISTANCE is set with a min/max of 0/1 when we detect win8 certified panels with hovering capability. By default the spec does not provide the distance IIRC, and you only have one byte: InRange. I think Xorg can deal with that (the touch emulation discards the ABS_MT_DISTANCE, but the xorg-evdev driver should be smart enough to not take BTN_TOUCH into account). > > Dmitry warned that a similar thing happened with PRESSURE a while ago, and > it was a mess as different drivers did different things. As I said, IIRC, xorg-evdev is fine with that. For generic desktop, we have to make sure libinput is aware, and then you only have to handle your own xorg chromebook driver. This is not something which scares me that much, especially given that this is what hid-multitouch reports since the v3.9 kernel. libinput is based on a per slot device information, so it is really easy to implement if it is not already in place. xorg-Synaptics and xorg-Wacom should not be ported to wayland from what I understood, so the mess with several implementations can be solved easily. > > We are now wondering if we should come up with a standard way to indicate > hover with or without distance (or with distance being optional). Dmitry > had the idea for a new tool type, HOVER; FINGER would be for touches that > are actually touching. The tool is still the finger. So I am not very happy with having a new tool. In the end, it may also disturb older clients which will not know what to do with HOVER. And the ABS_MT_DISTANCE approach used to be fully retro-compatible (assuming that the hovering distance is small enough for the user not to detect it). > > What do folks here think? > I made my point. Unfortunately, I never had in my hand such device, so I can not guarantee this approach is the best. Cheers, Benjamin -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-input" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
