Re: [RFC] iio: ppm: Add IIO_PPM channel type

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Ok that is pretty sane. I'll submit my full patchset for the driver marked RFC to see if my use of types and modifiers makes sense. Well once I get the module off the slow boat from Taiwan and test it

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> On Aug 31, 2015, at 01:06, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> On 08/28/2015 06:27 PM, Matt Ranostay wrote:
>> Ah true but we could add a few IIO_MOD* modifiers for CO2, tVOC, VOC,
>> etc, etc. I think Jonathan was suggesting that.
> 
> What I meant was CO2 measured in what unit per what unit.
> 
> Like is it weight per volume or volume per volume or weight per weight or
> molecules per volume ...
> 
> - Lars
> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Matt
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> On 08/28/2015 11:05 AM, Matt Ranostay wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/27/2015 11:40 PM, Matt Ranostay wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 08/27/2015 05:40 PM, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 08/27/2015 08:45 AM, Matt Ranostay wrote:
>>>>>>>>> There are air quality sensors that report data back in parts per million
>>>>>>>>> of VOC (Volatile Organic Compounds) which are usually indexed from CO2
>>>>>>>>> or another common pollutant.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This patchset adds an IIO_PPM type because no other channels types fit
>>>>>>>>> this use case.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Hm, I'm not sure if parts-per-million is a good channel type. It's more of a
>>>>>>>> scale. The type would be concentration.[...]
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Reading a bit more[1], concentration doesn't actually seem to be the right
>>>>>>> term in this case, the correct term is mole fraction. Maybe we can use that
>>>>>>> as the type. That also makes it clear that the unit is molecules per molecule.
>>>>>> Actually we can't use mole fraction for this because we aren't in a
>>>>>> chemistry lab, and know the other compounds that make up the local
>>>>>> atmosphere. Besides you'd have to include some insane lookup table for
>>>>>> molar mass of carbon or whatever VOC being measured :)
>>>>> 
>>>>> I don't think you'd need that. Mole fraction tells you the number of
>>>>> molecules of something per total number of molecules. You don't need the
>>>>> mass for this.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But what exactly is the sensor measuring? CO2 (or VOC) molecules per total
>>>>> number of molecules or number of CO2 molecules in a particular volume?
>>>> CC'ed my Swiss colleague on this because he knows much on the
>>>> interworkings of VOC sensors than I could hope to.
>>>> So simply these sensors are finding VOCs (which the sensor in question
>>>> does CO2 and tVOC indexes.. probably not too independent of  each
>>>> other)
>>>> 
>>>> But molecules are not parts.. think of taking an X volume of air and
>>>> figuring what is precent of oxygen is verses nitrogen, argon, etc,
>>>> etc. Sure the highest is nitrogen at atomic weight 14.01 with ~78% of
>>>> the "air", oxygen is ~20% at the weight of 16.00, and etc.
>>>> 
>>>> Think about cutting cube into a millions of pieces and figuring an X%
>>>> is Y substance which you can detect, but can't detect X, Y, and Z
>>>> (think any particles in 'air' that aren't bonded with carbon). So mole
>>>> fractions are impossible here, and you could only take a parts in a
>>>> known volume.
>>>> 
>>>> Most VOCs (if not all, bit of newbie here) use UV LEDs to ionize
>>>> particles, and with some maths calculate the parts-per-million.
>>> 
>>> But what per what? PPM is a completely ambiguous unit if you don't specify
>>> parts of what per million of what.
> 
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