Re: [RFC] iio: ppm: Add IIO_PPM channel type

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Ah true but we could add a few IIO_MOD* modifiers for CO2, tVOC, VOC,
etc, etc. I think Jonathan was suggesting that.

Thanks,

Matt

On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 2:16 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 08/28/2015 11:05 AM, Matt Ranostay wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On 08/27/2015 11:40 PM, Matt Ranostay wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Lars-Peter Clausen <lars@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> On 08/27/2015 05:40 PM, Lars-Peter Clausen wrote:
>>>>>> On 08/27/2015 08:45 AM, Matt Ranostay wrote:
>>>>>>> There are air quality sensors that report data back in parts per million
>>>>>>> of VOC (Volatile Organic Compounds) which are usually indexed from CO2
>>>>>>> or another common pollutant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This patchset adds an IIO_PPM type because no other channels types fit
>>>>>>> this use case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hm, I'm not sure if parts-per-million is a good channel type. It's more of a
>>>>>> scale. The type would be concentration.[...]
>>>>>
>>>>> Reading a bit more[1], concentration doesn't actually seem to be the right
>>>>> term in this case, the correct term is mole fraction. Maybe we can use that
>>>>> as the type. That also makes it clear that the unit is molecules per molecule.
>>>>>
>>>> Actually we can't use mole fraction for this because we aren't in a
>>>> chemistry lab, and know the other compounds that make up the local
>>>> atmosphere. Besides you'd have to include some insane lookup table for
>>>> molar mass of carbon or whatever VOC being measured :)
>>>
>>> I don't think you'd need that. Mole fraction tells you the number of
>>> molecules of something per total number of molecules. You don't need the
>>> mass for this.
>>>
>>> But what exactly is the sensor measuring? CO2 (or VOC) molecules per total
>>> number of molecules or number of CO2 molecules in a particular volume?
>>>
>> CC'ed my Swiss colleague on this because he knows much on the
>> interworkings of VOC sensors than I could hope to.
>> So simply these sensors are finding VOCs (which the sensor in question
>> does CO2 and tVOC indexes.. probably not too independent of  each
>> other)
>>
>> But molecules are not parts.. think of taking an X volume of air and
>> figuring what is precent of oxygen is verses nitrogen, argon, etc,
>> etc. Sure the highest is nitrogen at atomic weight 14.01 with ~78% of
>> the "air", oxygen is ~20% at the weight of 16.00, and etc.
>>
>> Think about cutting cube into a millions of pieces and figuring an X%
>> is Y substance which you can detect, but can't detect X, Y, and Z
>> (think any particles in 'air' that aren't bonded with carbon). So mole
>> fractions are impossible here, and you could only take a parts in a
>> known volume.
>>
>> Most VOCs (if not all, bit of newbie here) use UV LEDs to ionize
>> particles, and with some maths calculate the parts-per-million.
>
> But what per what? PPM is a completely ambiguous unit if you don't specify
> parts of what per million of what.
>
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