Re: [PATCH] libata: Whitelist SSDs that are known to properly return zeroes after TRIM

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On Jan 8, 2015, at 7:09 AM, Phillip Susi <psusi@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On 1/7/2015 11:58 PM, Andreas Dilger wrote:
>>> No, it knows that the inode table needs initialized because there
>>> is a flag in the group descriptor that says this inode table is
>>> still uninitalized.  It never reads the blocks to see if they are
>>> full of zeros.  mke2fs sets the flag when it does not initialize
>>> the table with zeros, either by direct writes ( which it doesn't
>>> do if lazy_itable_init is true, which it defaults to these days
>>> ), or by discarding the blocks when the device claims to support
>>> deterministic discard that zeros.
>> 
>> That is only partially correct.  While it is true that mke2fs sets
>> the UNINIT flag at format time, the "lazy" part of that means there
>> is a kernel thread still does the zeroing of the inode table
>> blocks, but after the filesystem is mounted, for any group that
>> does not have the ZEROED flag set.  After that point, the "UNINIT"
>> flag is an optimization to avoid reading the bitmap and unused
>> blocks from disk during allocation.
> 
> That is pretty much what I said, except that I was pointing out that
> it does not *read* first to see if the disk is already zeroed, as that
> would be a waste of time.  It just writes out the zeros for block
> groups that still have the uninit flag set.

Sorry, I didn't get that from my reading, so I thought I'd clarify.
I'd actually proposed that the ext4_init_inode_table() thread start
by reading the itable blocks first, check them for zeroes, and only
switch over to writing if it finds any non-zero data in the blocks.

I think that would be a net win in some cases, and only a tiny bit
of overhead (a single read) if it turns out to be wrong.

>> This is needed in case the group descriptor or inode bitmap is
>> corrupted, and e2fsck needs to scan the inode table for in-use
>> inodes.  We don't want it to find old inodes from before the
>> filesystem was formatted.
>> 
>> The ext4_init_inode_table() calls
>> sb_issue_zeroout->blkdev_issue_zeroout(), so if the underlying
>> storage supported deterministic zeroing of the underlying storage,
>> this could be handled very efficiently.
> 
> Again, that's pretty much what I said.


Cheers, Andreas





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