On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 12:46:24PM +0100, Rene Herman wrote: > On 14-11-07 11:07, David Miller wrote: > > Added Jaroslav and Takashi to the already extensive CC.... > >> From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > >>> So, when are you creating a replacement alsa-devel mailing list on >>> vger? That's also subscribers-only. >> The operative term is "alternative" rather than "replacement". >> Perhaps this misunderstanding is what you're so upset about. >> And yes, that alsa list bugs the crap out of me too. I'm more than >> happy to provide an alternative for that one as well. > > alsa-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx is not subscriber-only. Same as that arm list, > it's _moderated_ for non-subscribers and given that I and other moderators > have been doing our best to moderate quickly (I tend to stay logged in to > the moderation interface all day for example) what specifically bugged the > crap out of you? It's not something a poster needs to concern himself with. Totally unrelated - I sent something to the kolab mailing list a couple of days ago (it's moderated for non subscribers) informing them that I had found the cause of some Cyrus bugs that they had problems with in the past and providing a link to my post to the cyrus list with the patches attached. It sat in the moderation queue and then was rejected with "non subscriber post to subscription only list". Not only was the reponse a day later when I had moved on to other things, but it got me really pissed off that I had put some effort into providing a good quality post that outlined the specific issues and how they applied to their project, and had been summarily dismissed, probably without the effort being put in. There's no way for a non-subscriber to know in advance if the list they are trying to post to will do that to them, completely negating the effort put in to writing something worthwhile to inform that community. It's insular, and it sucks. So yeah, my attitude now is that the Kolab folks can go screw themselves and track down the fix on their own or wait until I've convinced upstream to accept the fixes (likely) and they have moved to the new version (unlikely for a long time, and meanwhile they're missing out on the performance increases that having a more stable skiplist library would give them) I'm sure if I had something that I considered worth informing the ALSA project of, I'd be wary of spending the same effort writing a good post knowing it may be dropped in between the by a list moderator just selecing all and bouncing them. Bron. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ide" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
