Re: [PATCH V3 1/2] dt-bindings: pinctrl: support specifying pins, groups & functions

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On 14.12.2021 20:59, Rob Herring wrote:
On Sat, Dec 11, 2021 at 12:16:25PM +0100, Rafał Miłecki wrote:
Rob: please kindly comment on this idea of storing pins/groups/functions
in DT.

I was never a fan of stuffing pin mux/ctrl into DT for what's mostly a
one time stuffing of register values. And given how many things run
before getting to the kernel, doing proper pin configuration in the
kernel is much too late (or redundant because it was actually already
done).

OK, thanks for sharing that. Given a pretty limited optimism on this
approach I'll simply drop it and do things the old good way.

I thought it's a better desing but I probably was wrong. It was still
worth a try :)

Thanks to everyone involved in this discussion.


For a sample Linux implementation you can check (incomplete):
[PATCH V2 4/6] pinctrl: support reading pins, groups & functions from DT
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/linux-gpio/patch/20211124230439.17531-5-zajec5@xxxxxxxxx/

For a real life DT usage you can check:
[PATCH V2 6/6] ARM: dts: BCM5301X: add pinctrl pins, groups & functions
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/project/linux-gpio/patch/20211124230439.17531-7-zajec5@xxxxxxxxx/

What about h/w with no concept of 'groups'?

It could probably be handled with sth like

functions {
	bar {
		pins = <&foo>;
	}
}

but my binding didn't cover that indeed.


Also see below inline comments.


On 11.12.2021 00:26, Linus Walleij wrote:
On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 12:42 PM Rafał Miłecki <zajec5@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

This binding change is meant to introduce a generic way of describing
pinctrl blocks details. Every pinmux block is expected to have:
1. Named pins
2. Named groups containing one or more pins
3. Named functions referencing one or more groups

It doesn't describe how hw should be programmed. That remains binding
and driver specific.

So what this does is to take a large chunk of data that we known to be
associated with the compatible string (names of pins, groups and functions,
etc) and put it into the device tree instead of the alternative, which is
what most drivers do, and that is to compile in the data into the
operating system and just look it up by using a compatible
string.

Correct. It changes the place of storing platform specific data.


The DT maintainers have already indicated that this is not desirable
and I don't see it getting merged before it has a Reviewed-by
tag from one of the DT binding maintainers.

Tony pointed out that it was back in 2011. It's worth reconsidering.
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/comment/2786915/

Rob said it depends on whether "data be static (complete) and correct"
https://patchwork.ozlabs.org/comment/2786688/

I haven't seen an answer for that question...

That and working for multiple platforms (from different vendors) are the
main things that matter to me.

I thought my design description & BCM5301X DTS patch may be a proof of
that but apparently it wasn't enough ;)



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