On 01/10/2012 07:53 AM, Ric Wheeler wrote: > On 01/09/2012 02:59 PM, Tom Coughlan wrote: >> On Mon, 2012-01-09 at 13:18 +0100, Hannes Reinecke wrote: >>> On 12/22/2011 09:54 PM, Shyam_Iyer@xxxxxxxx wrote: >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: linux-scsi-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:linux-scsi- >>>>> owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Vivek Goyal >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:59 AM >>>>> To: Iyer, Shyam >>>>> Cc: rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxx; linux-fsdevel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; linux- >>>>> scsi@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >>>>> Subject: Re: [LSF/MM TOPIC] linux servers as a storage server - >>>>> what's >>>>> missing? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 01:44:16PM +0530, Shyam_Iyer@xxxxxxxx >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> [..] >>>>> >>>>>> Simple asks - >>>>>> 1) Provide a consistent storage and fs management library that >>>>> discourages folks to write their own usespace storage library. >>>>> Include >>>>> things like fs formatting(fs profiles), transport >>>>> configuration(eg: >>>>> iscsiadm as a library), thin provisioning watermarks, cluster >>>>> management, apis for cgroups etc. >>>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>> For cgroups, we have libcgroup library. Not many people like to >>>>> use it >>>>> though as cgroup is exported as a filesystem and they prefer to >>>>> use >>>>> normal >>>>> libc api to traverse and configure cgroups (Instead of going >>>>> through >>>>> another library). Some examples include libvrit, systemd. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Vivek >>>> Well honestly I think that is a libvirt/systemd issue and >>>> libvirt also >>>> invokes things like iscsiadm, dcb etc as a binary :-/ >>>> >>>> Some one could always use qemu command lines to invoke KVM/XEN but >>>> libvirt has saved me one too many days in doing a quick operation >>>> without wondering about a qemu commandline. >>>> >>>> I am also asking for ideas on how to avoid this fragmentation >>>> because >>>> just like libvirt others are also encouraged to do their own libc >>> thing >>>> in the absence of a common storage management framework.. >>>> >>>> Does the standard interface for linux end at the user/kernel >>>> boundary >>>> or the user/libc boundary? If so I feel we would continue to lag >>> behind >>>> other OSes in features because of the model. >>>> >>> StorageAPI _again_. >>> >>> I was under the impression RH had someone working on it. >> Yes, Red Hat does. Tony Asleson. libStorageMgmt: >> >> http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/libstoragemgmt >> >> The current focus is on managing external storage (SMI-S, etc.). This >> focus can be expanded over time. Contributions welcome. >> >>> (Actually I was trying to give it a go, but then got buried under >>> customer escalations). >>> >>> So yes, we know there is a shortcoming. >>> And yes, we should improve things. >>> >>> But I feel another discussion about this will only give us more >>> insight, but not moving things forward. >>> >>> What about having a separate session at the storage summit (or even >>> at the collab summit) to hammer out the requirements here? >> That would be fine, although as you say, we need more than talk. >> >> Tom >> > > Having a special session would be really a good idea - given the > size of the discussion, we might want to do both a talk and a > breakout at collab summit... > To advance this further, I've submitted a BoF proposal 'Storage Management on Linux' for the Collab Summit. I would be available for a joint talk as an introduction if someone would be interested ... Cheers, Hannes -- Dr. Hannes Reinecke zSeries & Storage hare@xxxxxxx +49 911 74053 688 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg GF: J. Hawn, J. Guild, F. Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
