> On 2 Dec 2022, at 17.58, Keith Busch <kbusch@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 02, 2022 at 08:16:30AM +0100, Hannes Reinecke wrote: >>> On 12/1/22 20:39, Matthew Wilcox wrote: >>> On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:12:46PM +0000, Chaitanya Kulkarni wrote: >>>> So nobody can get away with a lie. >>> >>> And yet devices do exist which lie. I'm not surprised that vendors >>> vehemently claim that they don't, or "nobody would get away with it". >>> But, of course, they do. And there's no way for us to find out if >>> they're lying! >>> >> But we'll never be able to figure that out unless we try. >> >> Once we've tried we will have proof either way. > > As long as the protocols don't provide proof-of-work, trying this > doesn't really prove anything with respect to this concern. Is this something we should bring to NVMe? Seems like the main disagreement can be addressed there. I will check internally if there is any existing proof-of-work that we are missing.