On Fri, Dec 02, 2022 at 08:16:30AM +0100, Hannes Reinecke wrote: > On 12/1/22 20:39, Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 01, 2022 at 06:12:46PM +0000, Chaitanya Kulkarni wrote: > > > So nobody can get away with a lie. > > > > And yet devices do exist which lie. I'm not surprised that vendors > > vehemently claim that they don't, or "nobody would get away with it". > > But, of course, they do. And there's no way for us to find out if > > they're lying! > > > But we'll never be able to figure that out unless we try. > > Once we've tried we will have proof either way. As long as the protocols don't provide proof-of-work, trying this doesn't really prove anything with respect to this concern.