* Kyle McMartin <kyle@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 03:04:57PM -0800, Greg KH wrote: > > > Why does it need to be upstream for someone to cut their teeth helping > > > out? > > Because people don't know where to look if it is out-of-the tree. > > Seriously, if it can't be easily found, it's not fixed up. Proof of > > that is the hundreds of out-of-tree drivers that I have found over the > > past months. > > What about the hundreds of utterly crap drivers we have *right now* in > the kernel? Just because something is distributed with the kernel does > *not* mean it will get cleaned up. There's hundreds of counterexamples > to that. If you think moving some of them to drivers/staging to increase > the "visibility" to people looking for low hanging fruit, I can generate > a list... that is true and it does not contradict the purpose and intention of drivers/staging/ though - it extends it. We could create drivers/staging/in/ and drivers/staging/out/. So instead of marking drivers CONFIG_BROKEN we could move them to drivers/staging/out/ - and if they dont get 'saved' within a kernel release they will be zapped for good. That is more gradual than a sudden 'remove a driver completely' action. Ingo -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html