Re: [PATCH 02/12] fpga: sec-mgr: enable secure updates

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On Tue, Aug 03, 2021 at 12:02:24PM -0700, Russ Weight wrote:
> 
> 
> On 8/2/21 10:49 PM, Greg KH wrote:
> >> If the request_firmware() implementation is not acceptable, then would
> >> you agree that an IOCTL implementation is our best option?
> > There is no difference in the end between using an ioctl, or a sysfs
> > file, to provide the filename of your firmware, don't get hung up on
> > that.
> 
> I meant to suggest that passing file data (not a filename) through an
> IOCTL might be better for this use case than trying to use request_firmware.
> We have to, somehow, allow the user to point us to the desired image
> data (which could be a root-entry-hash, or an FPGA image). We can't
> really use a fixed filename modified by device version as many of
> the devices do.

Ah, yes, a "normal" write command might be best for this as that can be
properly containerized and controlled.

> > By providing a "filename", you are going around all of the namespace and
> > other "container" protection that the kernel provides, and allowing
> > processes to potentially load files that are normally outside of their
> > scope to the hardware.  If you are willing to allow that security
> > "escape", wonderful, but you better document the heck out of it and
> > explain why this is allowed for your special hardware and use case.
> >
> > As you are expecting this to work "in the cloud", I do not think that
> > the operators of such hardware are really going to be all that happy to
> > see this type of interface given these reasons.
> >
> > What is wrong with the current fpga firmware api that somehow is lacking
> > for your special hardware, that other devices do not have to worry
> > about?
> The existing framework wants to update the live image in the FPGA,
> whereas for this device, we are passing signed data to BMC firmware
> which will store it in FLASH to be loaded on a subsequent boot of
> the card.
> 
> The existing framework needs to manage FPGA state, whereas for this
> device, it is just a transfer of signed data. We also have to handle
> a total transfer/authentication time of up to 45 minutes, so we are
> using a kernel worker thread for the update.
> 
> Perhaps the name, fpga security manager, is wrong? Maybe something
> like fpga_sec_image_xfer is better?

It does not sound like this has anything to do with "security", and
rather is just a normal firmware upload, so "fpga_image_upload()"
perhaps?

naming is hard,

greg k-h



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