As many of you know, I'm working towards a merger of the two subsystem's wiki's, as it just seems to be a logical step in regards to informational purposes. But, for a good while now, there has been something else that has struck me as being another very logical step towards providing general improvement around here. Specifically, after having seen an increased frequency of "dvb-related" posts on the v4l list, and vice versa, as well as the large number of such mis-postings commonly entertained on the two #irc channels, it has spurred me into thinking/believing that a change on both of these fronts is required. Here is what I suggest: - merge/consolidate the and [video4linux-list] into one "[LinuxTV-users]" list - that a separate, but totally open and transparent, "[LinuxTV-devel]" list be created for the express purpose of housing v4l and dvb subsystem development discussions ... Now some might say "keep the subsystem's discussions separate!", which is fine - i.e. we could simply create, for example, "[LinuxTV-v4l- devel]" and "[LinuxTV-dvb-devel]" ... although, in my assessment, given that there is a low amount of traffic in these regards (i.e. actual development discussion, as opposed to end user problems and troubleshooting), I'm not sure that the creation of separate "devel" lists is necessarily warranted ...discussions placed on a single "[LinuxTV-devel]" list could easily be made to distinguish the topic coverage by simply using a "v4l:" or" dvb:" prefix in the subject header. But again, if distinct development discussion lists are deemed more desirable (for whatever bona fide argument) then that is perfectly acceptable. - the maintainer list .. well, it can either stay as is, or perhaps it might be logical to wind it up and move its operations into the unified devel list (or separate devel lists if that is deemed more desirable) ... there may be perfectly good reasons (that I'm unaware of or overlooking) for keeping it as is, so its not particularly important ... but in the context of creating a "[LinuxTV-devel]" list, it seems that having a separate maintainer list just for patch and pull requests would be kind of redundant and better served on the "devel" list as well One factor that perhaps adds some weight to this argument/proposal is the diminishing importance that analogue TV related issues are going to hold over time ( as more and more countries switch to digital transmission systems). Of course, the light won't go out for analogue TV for a number of years to come, but I think that users familiar to the lists will have already noticed the trend towards dvb related topics on the v4l list. Some of the other "pro" arguments to back this proposal are as follows: - ease and convenience for the end user (i.e one list, and not two separate lists) ... quite frankly, the typical end user does not understand or make the distinction that v4l is an analogue related subsystem -- its all video for linux for them -- both dvb or analogue questions ... similarly, I have doubts that all that many end users really grasp that dvb is in relation to a digital subsystem. - in general, I like the unified branding that "LinuxTV" permits ... its about TV on Linux based computer systems ... its name should be pretty straight forward in conveying that fact (at least, it strikes me as being such) ... and it avoids the end user having to figure whether they need to post on v4l or on linux-dvb lists ... quite frankly, "v4l" is a poor descriptor -- if I were a novice, I'd be more inclined to think that it was about video cards as opposed to being an analogue capture subsystem...in these regards, "dvb" certainly isn't much better in conveying that its dealing with the reception or capture of (digital) television - turning to the #irc channels, the same arguments hold, except that the dvb related channel isn't even named as such...rather it carries the "linuxtv" name ... now, I know that the channel topic headers will describe the type of discussion related to that channel, but honestly, next to no one heeds any attention to that...so it is of my opinion that the situation is even less then clear for the end user....in my opinion, its time to make a single channel function for all end users .... if so desired even two channels -- "#LinuxTV-users" (or even just usurp the existing #linuxtv channel into becoming multifunctional) and possibly another for developers if they so desire (i.e. "#LinuxTV-dvel") In short, we can: - help alleviate end user confusion - improve the lines of communication (i.e end users will only need approach one list/#irc for their TV or capturing need, regardless of whether their questions/problems are analogue or dvb related) - provide a greater user pool looking at all the end user problems - capitalize on a unified branding (i.e. "LinuxTV") - help promote a unified front/effort, and put an end to the segmentation .... something that I feel is needlessly too common of an occurrence in respect to Linux ..... (nine hundred and ninety-nine largely non differing distros being a prime example) ... and perhaps some other good reasons that I'm just not thinking about right now. _______________________________________________ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
