hi, On Tuesday 28 March 2006 17:31, Uwe Bugla wrote: > > --- Ursprüngliche Nachricht --- > > Von: Manu Abraham <abraham.manu@xxxxxxxxx> > > An: linux-dvb@xxxxxxxxxxx > > Kopie: Uwe Bugla <uwe.bugla@xxxxxx>, akpm@xxxxxxxx, info@xxxxxxxxxxx, > > mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Betreff: Re: Patch for /Documentation/dvb/bt8xx.txt, Revision > > 2 > > Datum: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:01:18 +0400 > > > > Uwe Bugla wrote: > > > Changes: > > > - rewrote document from scratch > > > - reduced the card ID reference to one proven exception (TwinHan) > > > - added cross references (=>) > > > - added a date to show actual state of development > > > - short, precise, compact info now > > > - no more endless author list > > > > > Please don't rip away documents like these. There is lot of useful > > information in the documentation what might be trivial for you. You are > > doing the wrong thing. > I did not rip away anything essential, Mr. Abraham! > Who needs parameters set to zero in a docu? NO ONE DOES! Parameters set to > zero are standard behaviour. That is the reason. no, sometimes you _should_ know what is en/disabled if you set a parameter to 0. > Who needs the info like "get_device_ID"? No one does! Because it does not > help! Parameters unequal to zero help. let people decide themselves what is an important information. > Who needs the advice to send in complete logs without being asked for? No > one does! Gerd Knorr wuold beat you dead for that! > Who needs the information that verbose=1 is optimal setting? No one does! > If the card works no parameters are needed at all. > Who needs endless author lists? No one does! One person doing the linguistic > and editorial work, or even two: That´s it! i can't agree on that. if one of the authors isn't available, you should have a fallback. also are copyrights kept, even if some other person does takeover the work completely. > Who needs endless card IDs if one single card is PROVEN to be the exception? > No one does! One cross reference solves it! > I am used to scientific working methods, I know the difference between a > thesis, an assumption and a proven FACT. sometimes facts are not really enough for understanding. in this case of card ids you might be right, but you prove facts as being generally enough. that's not a fact imho. > > > > Documents are written by the developers for users for understanding the > > drivers. Users who feel that documentation is not right may contribute > > back to it, but not rip away all the information from it. > In my experience real capable developers are rather introverted persons, i. > e. very weak in linguistic terms. Now if they attempt to write docus big > mess comes out in most of all cases, not in all cases. > I spent about one complete day to get a sophisticated concept of a very good > docu: compact, small, easily to comprehend. > I strictly followed Edgar´s path to chop out everything not being strictly > necessary. > As I respect your and Edgar´s profound knowledge about the driver I would > ask you personally to respect my capabilities vice versa. > I am NOT keen on any quarrels especially with you personally so this will be > my first answer and my last one. nice to read that you won't start another flamewar. > I expect you to be an excellent maintainer proven by FACTS I can see > through. I expect you to use vocabulary like "regression" in a thoughtful > intelligent way and in the right context. > I am still trying to think positive although especially you personally have > been real upsetting and sucking in the past months. > If you keep on caressing your mercurial tree I cannot and I will not stop > you from doing that. For me it is relevant what is in the main kernel. For > me it is relevant that there are no breakdowns in driver support anymore. > So before you begin to react on my work the way you did I would appreciate > you to use your brain and think it all over. > So instead of reacting in that manner prove to me and others that you are an > excellent programmer and an excellent maintainer. > If that is too much for you get yourself substituted by another person. these sentences don't reflect any kind of personal respect on the devs. they are even not a bit friendly. all my comments are just my personal opinion. to be as friendly as you have been within this email, just a hint from my side: try to use _your_ brain not to complain about others, but provide _real_ facts. discussions shouldn't get personally at all. everybody on this list is providing infomation and progression to the whole project. some do more, other do less. but, as a fact, iirc nobody wrote emails in a style you do. > Kind regards > Uwe Bugla > > > > Manu > > > regards marcel
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