Em Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:07:48 +0300 Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@xxxxxx> escreveu: > Hi Mauro, > > Thanks for the update! A few comments below. > > (Cc Hans and Laurent.) > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 09:07:35AM -0300, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > From: "mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > When we added support for omap3, back in 2010, we added a new > > type of V4L2 devices that aren't fully controlled via the V4L2 > > device node. Yet, we never made it clear, at the V4L2 spec, > > about the differences between both types. > > > > Let's document them with the current implementation. > > > > Signed-off-by: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Signed-off-by: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Pick one. :-) I edited it on another machine that were using the old address :-) I'll fix on the next version. > > > --- > > Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/open.rst | 47 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > 1 file changed, 47 insertions(+) > > > > diff --git a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/open.rst b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/open.rst > > index afd116edb40d..cf522d9bb53c 100644 > > --- a/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/open.rst > > +++ b/Documentation/media/uapi/v4l/open.rst > > @@ -6,6 +6,53 @@ > > Opening and Closing Devices > > *************************** > > > > +Types of V4L2 device control > > +============================ > > + > > +V4L2 devices are usually complex: they're implemented via a main driver and > > +often several additional drivers. The main driver always exposes one or > > +more **V4L2 device** devnodes (see :ref:`v4l2_device_naming`). The other > > +devices are called **V4L2 sub-devices**. They are usually controlled via a > > +serial bus (I2C or SMBus). > > Reading this paragraph again, I think this is meant as an introduction to > the reader. In this level of documentation (user space), it's fair to > describe hardware. As the V4L2 sub-device concept in the kernel and the > V4L2 sub-device API which is visible to the user space are not exactly the > same things, I think I'd avoid using V4L2 sub-device concept when referring > to hardware and how the concept is used in the kernel. > > How about, to replace the two last sentences: > > The other devices are typically I²C or SPI devices. Depending on the main > driver, these devices are controlled either implicitly through the main > driver or explicitly through the **V4L2 sub-device** interface. > > (I'm not sure the second sentence is even needed here.) Yeah, there is a mix of concepts here. I wanted to also define here that those "other drivers" are called as "V4L2 sub-devices", as this documentation is also a reference for driver developers. I ended by mixing things there. I suspect that the best would be to write it as: The other drivers are called **V4L2 sub-devices** and provide control to other parts of the hardware usually connected via a serial bus (like I²C, SMBus or SPI). They can be implicitly controlled directly by the main driver or explicitly through via the **V4L2 sub-device API** interface. > > + > > +When V4L2 started, there was only one type of device control. The entire > > +device was controlled via the **V4L2 device nodes**. We refer to this > > +kind of control as **V4L2 device-centric** (or, simply, **device-centric**). > > I'm still not quite happy with the naming. "Device" is too generic. How > about "V4L2-centric"? SDR, radio and video nodes are part of V4L2, so I > think that should convey the message as well as is factually correct. V4L2-centric is too generic too, as the subdev API is part of V4L2 :-) On our meeting, Laurent referred them as vdev-centric, with is a shortcut for "V4L2 device centric". I guess such name would be OK. > > + > > +Since the end of 2010, a new type of V4L2 device control was added in order > > +to support complex devices that are common on embedded systems. Those > > +devices are controlled mainly via the media controller and sub-devices. > > +So, they're called: **media controller centric** (or, simply, > > +"**mc-centric**"). > > Looks good. I'd use capital "M" in Media controller. Ok. > > > + > > +On **device-centric** control, the device and their corresponding hardware > > +pipelines are controlled via the **V4L2 device** node. They may optionally > > +expose the hardware pipelines via the > > +:ref:`media controller API <media_controller>`. > > s/the hardware pipelines// Ok. > > It could be that there is a media device, but still no pipeline. Think of > lens and flash devices, for instance. > > > + > > +On a **mc-centric**, before using the V4L2 device, it is required to > > In English, abbreviations are capitalised, i.e. "MC-centric". Ok. > > > +set the hardware pipelines via the > > +:ref:`media controller API <media_controller>`. On those devices, the > > +sub-devices' configuration can be controlled via the > > +:ref:`sub-device API <subdev>`, with creates one device node per sub device. > > + > > +In summary, on **mc-centric** devices: > > + > > +- The **V4L2 device** node is mainly responsible for controlling the > > + streaming features; > > +- The **media controller device** is responsible to setup the pipelines > > + and image settings (like size and format); > > "image settings (like size and format)" go to the sub-device bullet below. I guess I'll just remove it then, as it is implicit when it says: "sub-device specific settings". > > > +- The **V4L2 sub-devices** are responsible for sub-device > > + specific settings. > > + > > +.. note:: > > + > > + It is forbidden for **device-centric** devices to expose V4L2 > > + sub-devices via :ref:`sub-device API <subdev>`, although this > > + might change in the future. > > I believe we agree on the subject matter but we can still argue. :-D > > Could you drop ", although this might change in the future" part? We've > established that there is no use case currently and we could well allow > things in the API that were not allowed before without a specific not in > the spec. As we sort of agreed at the meeting on Thu, I changed it to: A **vdev-centric** may optionally expose V4L2 sub-devices via :ref:`sub-device API <subdev>`. In that case, it has to implement the :ref:`media controller API <media_controller>` as well. 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