On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Ming Lei <ming.lei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Kees Cook <keescook@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Sat, Jul 19, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Ming Lei <ming.lei@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Kees Cook <keescook@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>>> As an alternative to loading bytes from the "data" blob when reading >>>> firmware, let kernel read from an fd, so that the LSM can reason about >>>> the origin of firmware contents during userspace on-demand loading. >>> >>> From user space view, maybe it is better to keep previous usage and just >>> check if loading is from 'data' blob or fd in 'echo 0 > loading' of >>> firmware_loading_store(), then the 'fd' usage becomes very similar with >>> before. >> >> I don't think this is a good idea because otherwise there isn't a good >> way to have an "atomic" check of the firmware contents. What does it > > Could you share why 'atomic' check is necessary? As we know, it isn't > real atomic, :-). Right, I don't really mean actually atomic. I just mean "a single write operation for loading a single firmware". >> means to write to "fd" several times, then write "data" a little, >> before writing "loading", etc? I originally wrote the patch series > > That depends how firmware loader supports these cases, and won't > be difficult to handle them. > > For non-fd userspace interface, it is very flexible to be capable of > supporting to load firmware data from multiple images, or in flight. > With single 'fd' interface, it won't be possible any more. That's entirely correct. But I'm not suggesting replacing loading/data with fd, I'm suggesting adding an additional separate interface. Any system that wants to generate non-file-backed firmware or do multiple images at once can continue to use the loading/data interface. However, since nearly all systems currently use udev and its firmware helper that reads from single files, this change allows the bulk of systems to be able to reason via the LSM about the origin of userspace-delivered firmwares. >> requiring the "loading" piece, and it ended up being very complicated >> due to needing to switch the memory buffer logic back and forth. >> Everything is much much cleaner if "fd" is single-shot, and not part >> of the loading/data interface semantics. > > You might not avoid the 'loading' piece completely, how does > the userspace handle non-exist firmware image? The reasonable > way is to abort the loading from userspace via 'echo -1 > loading' > since userspace already sees that, and you may choose to let kernel > side handle that, but your current patch doesn't support it yet. That's not true -- my series doesn't remove or change any of the existing interface behavior. If userspace doesn't find a firmware image, it can still write -1 into loading. What I've added is simply a new way to load the firmware, in line with finit_module and kexec_file_load: we need to be able to load files from userspace via fd instead of via blobs. There is no reason for the fd interface to use "loading" to indicate it's state. First, it's redundant: loading starts the moment fd_store is called: from the userspace perspective, the entire load process happens during that write. Once the write returns, loading has finished. Adding the requirement for writing "loading" before and after complicates userspace and complicates kernel-space since now it must distinguish between fw_buf's is_paged_buf state, and determine how to interact with intermixed calls to "data". For example, what would this mean: echo 1 > loading write to data write to fd echo 0 > loading With my current patch, writes to "fd" will be rejected if a write to "loading" has happened, to be able to trivially distinguish between the two interfaces, and to keep sanity in the state of is_paged_buf logic. It seems to me that keeping the interfaces separate makes the most sense and provides the cleanest approach. Perhaps it would be easier if I also sent the patch to udev's helper, so you could see how I propose handling the userspace change to using the new interface? -Kees -- Kees Cook Chrome OS Security -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-doc" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
