On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 08:11:52PM +0300, Amir Goldstein wrote: > On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 5:56 PM, James Bottomley > <James.Bottomley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > [...] > >> > > - Does not break inotify > >> > > >> > I don't expect it does, but I haven't checked. > >> > >> I haven't checked either; I'm planning to do so soon. This is a > >> concern that was expressed to me by others, I think because inotify > >> doesn't work with overlayfs. > > > > I think shiftfs does work simply because it doesn't really do overlays, > > so lots of stuff that doesn't work with overlays does work with it. > > > > I'm afraid shiftfs suffers from the same problems that the old naiive > overlayfs inode implementation suffered from. > > This problem is demonstrated with LTP tests inotify08 inotify09. > shiftfs_new_inode() is called on every lookup, so inotify watch > may be set on an inode object, then dentry is evicted from cache > and then all events on new dentry are not reported on the watched > inode. You will need to implement hashed inodes to solve it. > Can be done as overlay does - hashing by real inode pointer. Thanks for the pointer. I modified the LTP inotify08 test to use shiftfs instead of overlayfs, and I can confirm that it fails to see the events. > This is just one of those subtle things about stacked fs and there may > be other in present and more in future - if we don't have a shared code > base for the two stacked fs, I wager you are going to end up "cherry > picking" fixes often. > > IMO, an important question to ask is, since both shiftfs and overlayfs > are strongly coupled with container use cases, are there users that > are interested in both layering AND shifting? on the same "mark"? > If the answer is yes, then this may be an argument in favor of > integrating at least some of shittfs functionality into overlayfs. > > Another argument is that shiftfs itself takes the maximum allowed > 2 levels of s_stack_depth for it's 2 mounts, so it is actually not > possible with current VFS limitation to combine shiftfs with overlayfs. That's unfortunate -- it will prevent nested use in addition to use with overlayfs. I have been wondering if shiftfs could be made to detect when it was being layered on top of a shiftfs mount, and do something to make it behave like it was a single shift on top of the original subtree. I may look into this. Of course it doesn't help with overlayfs. > This could be solved relatively easily by adding "-o mark" support > to overlayfs and allowing to mount shiftfs also over "marked" overlayfs > inside container. > > Anyway, I'm just playing devil's advocate to the idea of two stacked fs > implementation, so presenting this point of view. I am fully aware that > there are also plenty of disadvantages to couple two unrelated > functionalities together. > > Cheers, > Amir. _______________________________________________ Containers mailing list Containers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers
