> Plenty? Really?. Lets break down the tty drivers in the kernel which > don't use uart_port. That's the wrong list - those that use uart port but don't always use the uart_insert_char helpers will also break. So you can start by adding 8250 amba-pl011 atmel_serial bcm63xx_uart bfin_sport bfin_sport_uart crisv10 efm32-uart etraxfs-uart fsl_lpuart icom ifx6060 imx ioc3_serial ioc4_serial kgdb_nmi lantiq lpc32xx_hs m32r_sio men_z135_uart meson_uart mpc52xx_uart mps2-uart mpsc msm_serial mux mvebu-uart mxs-auart pch_uart pic32_uart pmac_zilog samsung serial-tegra sh-sci sirfsoc_uart sn_console sunhv sunsab sunsu sunzilog tilegx timbuart uartline ucc_uart vt8500_serial Some of those you could handle reasonably easily as they are byte oriented, however if your code takes any longer in clock terms to run on the low end devices you'll be a regression. Some of these don't use uart_insert_char because the cost of that tips them over the available clock times. Quite a few of them however use tty_insert_flip_string or the other buffer handling functions, particularly when doing DMA so you would have to do significant work to fit them into some 'byte callback' type model. This again is why it needs to be at the tty_port layer. The receive paths can be cleanly intercepted at the point you'd push to an ldisc - the driver level code on rx doesn't care if you have a tty attached, because bytes arrived whether the tty is open or not. In the case of 8250 all the recent x86 class systems which have things like bluetooth attached via the LPSS are using 8250 and with DMA so your interface simply won't work. There are also some other slight complications when you look at real world implementations. Android devices tend to keep the GPS in userspace so most of then can't use some magic extra API but just drive GPIO lines via the sysfs GPIO interface. Most Android doesn't use the kernel BT stack either. Quite a few Android and other embedded devices also do power management by shutting off the UART, routing the rx line to an edge triggered GPIO and on the interrupt flipping the UART back on and losing the first byte, picking a protocol that can recover from it. Your model doesn't I think cover that, although I am somewhat at a loss as to how to do that nicely! > Consoles/Debug: > arch/alpha/kernel/srmcons.c > arch/cris/arch-v10/kernel/debugport.c > arch/ia64/hp/sim/simserial.c > arch/m68k/emu/nfcon.c > arch/parisc/kernel/pdc_cons.c > arch/xtensa/platforms/iss/console.c > drivers/char/ttyprintk.c > drivers/tty/bfin_jtag_comm.c > drivers/tty/ehv_bytechan.c > drivers/tty/hvc/hvc_console.c > drivers/tty/hvc/hvcs.c > drivers/tty/hvc/hvsi.c > drivers/tty/serial/kgdb_nmi.c > drivers/tty/mips_ejtag_fdc.c > drivers/tty/metag_da.c > drivers/misc/pti.c You could attach a dongle of some sort to a supposed console/debug port and people do that kind of crap on embedded devices to save a few cents. The ones above look fine though. > SDIO UART: > drivers/mmc/card/sdio_uart.c This is an area that definitely needs covering, except that the way the power works may be completely opaque to the OS if it's something like an ACPI OpRegion controlling it. > S390 (don't think BT dongle is a use case): > drivers/s390/char/con3215.c > drivers/s390/char/sclp_tty.c > drivers/s390/char/sclp_vt220.c > drivers/s390/char/tty3270.c I would prefer to think of the fact BT on S390 *would* work as a test of the API being right. > Firewire serial: > drivers/staging/fwserial/fwserial.c > > Amiga serial: > drivers/tty/amiserial.c > > Android emulator: > drivers/tty/goldfish.c > > Multi-port serial boards (standard connectors and not embedded with > sideband signals): > drivers/tty/cyclades.c > drivers/tty/isicom.c > drivers/tty/moxa.c > drivers/tty/mxser.c > drivers/tty/rocket.c > drivers/tty/synclink.c > drivers/tty/synclink_gt.c > drivers/tty/synclinkmp.c > drivers/char/pcmcia/synclink_cs.c > drivers/ipack/devices/ipoctal.c > drivers/staging/dgnc/dgnc_tty.c > > Modems (already a slave device): > drivers/isdn/capi/capi.c > drivers/isdn/gigaset/interface.c > drivers/isdn/i4l/isdn_tty.c > drivers/tty/nozomi.c > drivers/tty/ipwireless/tty.c > drivers/tty/serial/ifx6x60.c > drivers/net/usb/hso.c > drivers/staging/gdm724x/gdm_tty.c > drivers/usb/class/cdc-acm.c > > USB: > drivers/usb/gadget/function/u_serial.c > drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c Your list for USB is misleading. Just about every USB serial port uses usb-serial as a midlayer so you are basically saying "Let's make a giant weird special case". Just listing usb-serial would be like just listing serial-core and saying you only support one device. > That leaves usb-serial. If the current support is good enough, then > that will continue to work (as you said elsewhere, can't break > userspace). If someone really wants to do USB serial and wire in > sideband controls, then we could provide a host driver that hooks into > usb_serial_port. Alreay happens when people are doing strange things nailing legacy devices to HSIC/SSIC. USB is not just a pile of external cables that always have the plug upside down, it has specifications for directly routed low voltage on PCB consumers and bridges. The fact you want two different host drivers and two APIs for the same object connected to two identical interfaces but on different busses should be raising alarm bells. We don't have different interfaces for NE2000 over PCI or NE2000 over ISA ! > > Your changes also don't work because serial uart drivers are not obliged > > to use any of the uart buffering helpers and particularly on the rx side > > many do not do so and the performance hit would be too high. > > Do you have an example? > > The only uart buffering helper is for the receive side with > uart_insert_char. Sure, a character at a time is not efficient, but > that is easily rectified. Or do you mean something else? Not all of the uart drivers even use uart_insert_char. It's a convenience helper that most of them bypass because it's completely useless if you are doing things like DMA. Even the modern x86 PC UARTs don't and can't use uart_insert_char and that basically is a killer. Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-bluetooth" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
