On 10/18/21 5:17 PM, Finn Thain wrote: > On Mon, 18 Oct 2021, Jens Axboe wrote: > >>> It is much more difficult to report regressions than it is to use a >>> workaround (i.e. boot a known good kernel). And I have plenty of >>> sympathy for end-users who may assume that the people and corporations >>> who create the breakage will take responsibility for fixing it. >> >> We're talking about a floppy driver here, and one for ATARI no less. >> It's not much of a leap of faith to assume that >> >> a) those users are more savvy than the average computer user, as they >> have to compile their own kernels anyway. >> >> b) that there are essentially zero of them left. The number is clearly >> different from zero, but I doubt by much. >> > > Well, that assumption is as dangerous as any. The floppy interface is > still important even if most of the old mechanisms have been replaced. > > http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/ > https://amigastore.eu/en/220-sd-floppy-emulator-rev-c.html > https://www.bigmessowires.com/floppy-emu/ > >> Hence it would stand to reason that if someone was indeed in the group >> of ATARI floppy users that they would know how to report a bug. > > Yes, it would if the premise was valid. But the premise is just a flawed > assumption. Oh please, can we skip the empty words, this is tiresome and unproductive. Since you apparently have a much better grasp on this than I do, answer me this: 1) How many users of ataflop are there? 2) How big of a subset of that group are capable of figuring out where to send a bug report? By your reasoning, any bug would go unreported for years, no matter how big the user group is. That is patently false. It's most commonly a combination of how hard it is to hit, and how many can potentially hit it. Yes, some people will work around a bug, but others will not. Hence a subset of people that hit it will report it. Decades of bug reports have proven this to be true on my end. Nobody has reported the ataflop issue in 3 years. Either these people never upgrade (which may be true), or none of them are using ataflop. It's as simple as that. -- Jens Axboe
