Re: SSD usage for bcache - Read and Writeback

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On 2017/9/14 下午5:31, Kai Krakow wrote:
> Am Thu, 14 Sep 2017 16:45:25 +0200
> schrieb Coly Li <i@xxxxxxx>:
> 
>> On 2017/9/14 下午3:10, FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:
>>> Hello Coly.
>>>
>>> If the users reads a piece of data that is just writen to SSD
>>> (unlikely) it should first and in any condition be commited to the
>>> permanent storage and then read from there and cached in another
>>> area of the SSD. Writaback cache is very volatile and lasts only a
>>> few seconds while the data is not yet committed to permanent
>>> storage.
>>>
>>> In fact multiple device suport is not implemented yet, that's why I
>>> am asking it and comparing with other well technology as ZFS.
>>>   
>>
>> Hi Fernando,
>>
>> Do you have some performance number to compare combined and separated
>> configurations on ZFS ? If the performance improvement is not from
>> adding one more SSD device, I don't why dedicate read/write SSDs may
>> help for performance. In my understanding, if any of the SSD has
>> spared throughput capability for read or write, mixed them together
>> on both SSDs may have better performance number.
> 
> I could imagine that one way want to use a fast, more expensive disk as
> read cache, while using a smaller SLC SSD as write cache for better
> longevity and reliability. Because: When you write cache SSD breaks,
> things go really bad. If you read cache breaks: No problem, it just
> slows down.
> 
> So, in conclusion: The recommendation may not be because of
> performance... Better performance may just be a (small) side effect.
> 
> 

Hi Kai,

It makes sense, and more flexible then bcache on top of raid1 IMHO.
Thanks for the hint :-)

Coly Li


>>>
>>> On 14/09/2017 04:58, Coly Li wrote:  
>>>> On 2017/9/11 下午4:04, FERNANDO FREDIANI wrote:  
>>  [...]  
>>>> Hi Fernando,
>>>>
>>>> If there is any real performance number, it will be much easier to
>>>> response this idea. What confuses me is, if user reads a data block
>>>> which is just written to SSD, what is the benefit for the
>>>> separated SSDs.
>>>>
>>>> Yes I agree with you that some times a single SSD as cache device
>>>> is inefficient. Multiple cache device on bcache is a
>>>> not-implemented yet feature as I know.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.  

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