Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:48:33 +0000, Fons Adriaensen <fons@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit : > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 01:24:22PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: > > I'm sorry if that reflects poorly on the composer of that > > particular exam, but what you want, is not to test the memory of > > the test taker, but to test their powers of deduction. > > Even so, students taking a course on the history of Western classical > music should be able to identify Pierrot Lunaire without requiring > internet resources. More so if during the course they had the > opportunity to hear it. Pierrot Lunaire is indeed easy to identify; it's the best known historical example of Sprechgesang, and even as a little boy I knew that about Schönberg, without formal training in music. I'm 50, so it was much easier at the time to be exposed to contemporary music (even on my side of the Atlantic), simply because it was playing on public radios and televisions. Now that mass medias are complete vassals of the so-called "pop culture", and that most other styles of music are being "specialized" and channelled, very few "normal" people are exposed to such "elitist" bits of knowledge. It's the consequence of the "evolution" of electronic mass-medias, from generalist radios and televisions to the Internet, where everything is "monetized" with an "app". I wondered what McLuhan would have said... Anyway, to summarize: rap is the new Sprechgesang, rythmic and monotone. I don't know much about it, and I would fail miserably at any exam. Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit : > No, you can't expect that the kids are aware of Pierrot Lunaire. > C'mon it's freakish music and the lyrics are sad :p. There's a whole lot of sad music that kids enjoy. > FWIW I prefer some jazz interpretations of Schönberg, e.g. by the > Vienna Art Orchestra and it's too funny, since I planned to do an old > school like hip hop song using samples of the Vienna Art Orchestra. Is hip hop already "old school"? The excellent Vienna Art Orchestra must be old school too, since it was funded in 1977... I hope to see them again (last time was more than 10 years ago). > I was uncertain to do it, but now I'm less uncertain :), I at least > likely will cover the Vienna Art Orchestra instead of using samples. The sampling culture is dissolving general culture: I often ask people to identify samples used in pop music; they usually can't, identifying only the song using the sample, as music recognition services would probably do (to be verified). Culture, especially since the 90's, is an industrial activity based on "artifical scarcity", and sampling is one of the method used to monetize on the lack of general culture. That said, you can identify samples years after hearing them for the first time. -- Marc _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
