On Sun, 22 Dec 2013 11:21:31 +0100 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Will :) > > On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 22:23 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > > Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, they > > installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio > > This belongs to Debian user, not to LAU. You likely had GNOME2 > installed and perhaps you used synaptic and it was set up to install > recommended packages automatically. However, more information is > needed, to explain why this happened. As others already mentioned, > don't upgrade without reading. Not only read what packages will > change, removed or installed, also read release notes, take a look at > the distro's homepage news, or simply have an ear to the ground what > upstream is doing. Apropos upstream, the policy of Debian and the > package management makes it much more complicated to keep an audio > environment stable and up-to-date than for distros with another > policy and another package management. I've got Ubuntu, Debian and > Arch installed. What you want, likely is Arch Linux. Things can break > for Arch Linux too, but not that easy as for Ubuntu and Debian and > the packages for Arch follow upstream, they usually aren't split to > several packages. Arch follows the KISS principle and the user has to > set up everything on his/her own, so the user is aware what is set up > in what way, etc. pp.. > > Regards, > Ralf > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ On the other hand, Arch does introduce new dependencies all the time. In general the number of dependencies of any given package seems to increase, and the gnome stuff seems to be rather viral. It gets increasingly harder to run a gnome-free graphical system without going to greater length (modifying and building your own GTK3 without colord, polkit, at-spi2-atk etc.). This got annoying enough for me to get rid of gtk3 altogether, but more and more programs are built against it, which limits my options. In my opinion Arch has left the minimal and KISS ways by blindly adopting everything gnome and red hat releases. Regards, Philipp _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
