Hi Will :) On Sat, 2013-12-21 at 22:23 +0000, Will Godfrey wrote: > Without asking, indeed, without even a warning, they > installed GDM, Gnome3 and pulse audio This belongs to Debian user, not to LAU. You likely had GNOME2 installed and perhaps you used synaptic and it was set up to install recommended packages automatically. However, more information is needed, to explain why this happened. As others already mentioned, don't upgrade without reading. Not only read what packages will change, removed or installed, also read release notes, take a look at the distro's homepage news, or simply have an ear to the ground what upstream is doing. Apropos upstream, the policy of Debian and the package management makes it much more complicated to keep an audio environment stable and up-to-date than for distros with another policy and another package management. I've got Ubuntu, Debian and Arch installed. What you want, likely is Arch Linux. Things can break for Arch Linux too, but not that easy as for Ubuntu and Debian and the packages for Arch follow upstream, they usually aren't split to several packages. Arch follows the KISS principle and the user has to set up everything on his/her own, so the user is aware what is set up in what way, etc. pp.. Regards, Ralf http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user