I can't bother reading the discussion. (it's automn on my side of earth: enough natural bitterdom among my people already) But I really liked that advice "any reputation consultant would give". It's like Buckminster Fuller said: "you do not change the system by fighting it. To change the system, make a new one, that turns the old system irrelevant". I've withnessed alot of friends going linux lately. They buy a new computer, but put ubuntustudio on the old, and eventualy stay there :) Thats probably a good reason for old grumpy cats to get worried about their position on their dictated wrong-vs-right scale, and rant about how their expensive software was worth becoming a paranoid pirate or a grumpy broka-A**. :D Being bitter is a good way to develope premature elderdom, fantasy-freeze and also depression. So let them rant, it will come back to them. :D Meanwhile! Let's produce some kickass music!!!! <3 On 2013-10-28 16:05, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Monday 28 October 2013 10:44:40 Barney Holmes did opine: > >> Quoting Brett McCoy <idragosani@xxxxxxxxx>: >>> On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 5:48 AM, michael noble <looplog@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >>>> Must be that time of year again when slashdotters get a bee in their >>>> bonnet about how useless Linux is for audio production. Enter at >>>> your own risk... >>>> >>>> http://ask.slashdot.org/story/13/10/27/0534248/ask-slashdot-best-cros >>>> s-platform-linux-only-audio-software?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&ut >>>> m_medium=feed >>> >>> Ha, I stopped reading /. a long time ago. I can see not much has >>> changed... >> >> Same here. It seemed to turn into a cynicism fest in many >> circumstances. If this kind of post (no I didn?t go in, I have enough >> anger already) is anything special or just the usual I don't know. >> However there is a HUGE watershed going on at the moment that >> undoubtedly is spilling well beyond the borders of open source land. >> Something extraordinary IS happening and I don't see why anyone should >> be embarrassed about giving themselves a pat on the back or even >> getting others to pat them on that back ! An enormous amount of work >> by thousands upon thousands is paying off. The fruits started >> happening with Android, despite proprietary drivers (if Google had >> refused that none of the mobile phone manufactures would have even >> used Android!), then Ubuntu, as well as the less visible internet >> servers and embedded technologies. But the one that takes the biscuit >> for me is Steam announcing SteamOS. This is going to be a huge change >> in what has been a long standing corporate culture of >> Microsoft/Nvidia/Intel. Video games are the quintessential example of >> the Real Time application. Graphics and sound all running as a real >> time application. There's hints of where this is going in things like >> the 3D synth by Robert Gareus. Look at the 3D menu / interface that >> you can spin around in Borderlands 2. It amazes me that we are not >> already using 3D window managers and are still stuck in static 2D land >> (go ask Ted Nelson about that). >> >> Where does this take Linux Audio Users ? Well the future is bright. >> What's over that horizon ? I've been looking at Blender Game Engine >> for doing VJ visuals (it can play full frame video within the game >> engine and spin that around a'la a high end vision mixing desk). >> Combined with sound who knows what kind of 3D dynamic sound mixing >> environments could be created ? >> >> So Linux bashing, go easy on them. >> >> DJ Barney > > I have not yet looked at SteamOS, but you are claiming realtime for it. > That pulls my curiosity trigger because one of my hobbies is CNC > machinery, and its realtime demands are far more stringent than some .1 > millisecond accurate audio delivery. Currently we are running linuxcnc on > 2.6.32-122-RTAI, but that RTAI patch is invasive as hell, and extremely > difficult to apply to a newer kernel, so we are running on Ubuntu-10.04.4 > LTS yet, with an occasional hiccup at other functions. > > If SteamOS is claiming real time, just how "realtime" is it? We need to > have an I/O heartbeat running at a 20 to 25 u-sec rate, with not over a 3 > u-sec jitter in that timing to run well. Currently the intel atom based > boards are the goto boards for that, but we could sure use some additional > iron in the mix, which oddly, seems to point toward the BeagleBoneBlack > because of its bank of programmable realtime units (PRU's) and a true feast > of I/O pin availability that can serve as the step pulse generators. > > I have an old HP box with a 1 Ghz athlon in it that could serve as a proof > of concept box if this is downloadable and buildable on it. > So, what say you that have tasted this? > > Thanks. >> >>> -- >>> Brett W. 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