On Sunday 25 November 2012 17:35:35 Ralf Mardorf did opine: > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 21:02 +0000, Folderol wrote: > > On Sun, 25 Nov 2012 21:52:12 +0100 > > > > Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 20:23 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: > > > > On Sun, Nov 25, 2012 at 12:05:44PM -0800, J. Liles wrote: > > > > > You're not likely to get any respect from this community > > > > > unless/until you release your source code under a free/libre > > > > > license. Who have spent decades and 10's of thousands of hours > > > > > working on projects that we give away freely and openly, your > > > > > software is irrelevant and your request for respect is > > > > > borderline insulting. > > > > > > > > If anything is 'borderline insulting' it's IMHO the above. > > > > > > > > While I can't imagine any good reason for keeping mixer4 source > > > > code closed, the only consequence this should (and will) bring > > > > is the reduced amount of support the author will get from this > > > > (LAU/LAD) community. It should not be any pretext for ad-hominem > > > > comments. And don't forget that many on this list are using things > > > > like Mixbus. Is Harrison 'borderline insulting' as well ? > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > We are living in a free world. I prefer open source, but if somebody > > > has what ever reason not to open the source code, I can decide if > > > I'll use it or not, no need for that noise. > > > > It's something that people can get quite heated about :( > > > > Personally, I prefer stuff with the source available (just in case) - > > although I'll probably hardly give it a glance. To persuade me > > otherwise, an application would have to be really exceptional and > > quite unique. > > I can't agree more :). And now I'll stop my noise ;). > > For drivers we sometimes have no choice. > I stayed out of this one till now because I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'll give Fons a +1. A well worded, well thought out answer. However if our driver isn't up to it, but yours does make a perceived contribution, then having access to the source means that a few more sets of eyeballs can walk around in it, and 15 days later our driver is the one taking names and kicking butt. We generally are a likable bunch, with the inevitable differences of opinion inherent in any group of more than one. But there is a sig line I'm seeing more and more of: "If you can't fix it, then you don't own it." And TBT, at my age, I am not capable of fixing it unless the error is a: in a language I understand, and b, slap you in the face obviously wrong. I know just enough C to be dangerous, and do the majority of my programming in assembly on much smaller machines than this one. No amount of cash changing hands will ever change that. We are well aware that the GPL is a double edged sword that boils down to you can't charge more than the media & a couple bucks for your time to copy it for it, and if you change someone elses code, you are legally to give those changes back to anyone who has a copy of the original obtained by legal means. So you can't 'hide it under a basket' and expect to get much more than a very cursory look from 90% of us. I'll get me coat now. > Regards, > Ralf > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user Cheers, Gene -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: <http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene> is up! Fifth Law of Procrastination: Procrastination avoids boredom; one never has the feeling that there is nothing important to do. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
