I actually figured it out.
Falktx has created something called Catia that is similar to the Jack "connect" interface. After looking in there, it was clear that pd had no output connection.
I simply hooked things up and all was well.
Now I've gotta figure out what the hell I was thinking when I created that pd patch.
This is where I usually jump on the developer for not commenting his code. It was me though. Damn.
On Aug 21, 2011 6:45 PM, "Marco Donnarumma" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> From the jack log it seems that jack sink for PA is launched on startup
> (along with other clients).
>
> New client 'cadence' with PID 22834
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'a2j' with PID 23755
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'PulseAudio JACK Sink' with PID 23814
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'PulseAudio JACK Sink:front-left' to
> 'system:playback_1'
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'PulseAudio JACK Sink:front-right' to
> 'system:playback_2'
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'PulseAudio JACK Source' with PID 23814
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'system:capture_1' to 'PulseAudio JACK
> Source:front-left'
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'system:capture_2' to 'PulseAudio JACK
> Source:front-right'
>
> Whereas that is useful to get always audio from the internet browser and the
> likes, perhaps it could interfere with Pd trying to connect to the same
> ports.
> Sometimes when ports are already in use Pd might fail to connect.
>
> I would try to launch jack with no other clients connected (in your case
> avoid launching cadence, a2j, and jack sink) and then start pd from terminal
> with the jack flag.
>
> M
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Aaron L. <elmastero74@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> To be honest, it's been so long since I've had my head in PD that I can't
>> even remember what all of the pieces of my fiddle script is doing (that's
>> another email for another list, I think....)
>>
>> But let's say I just want to start pd like this:
>> pdextended -jack channels 2
>>
>> Within PD, when I click on 'test audio and midi', I get the following DIO
>> errors in pd along with no test tone (after I select "60", of course) :
>> error: channels: can't open
>> error: 2: can't open
>> audio I/O error history:
>> seconds ago error type
>> 70.39 unknown
>> 70.39 unknown
>> warning: tone-osc: multiply defined
>> warning: tone-mon: multiply defined
>> warning: tone-osc: multiply defined
>> warning: tone-mon: multiply defined
>> warning: tone-osc: multiply defined
>>
>> No messages within Jack regarding any of this.
>>
>> Here's my Jack log:
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: Loading settings from
>> "/home/aaron/.config/jack/conf.xml" using expat_2.0.1 ...
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting engine option "driver" to value "alsa"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: driver "alsa" selected
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting engine option "realtime" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting engine option "verbose" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting engine option "client-timeout" to value
>> "500"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "net" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "dummy" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "alsa" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "device" to value "hw:0"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "rate" to value "44100"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "period" to value "1024"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "nperiods" to value "3"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "hwmon" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "hwmeter" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "duplex" to value "true"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "softmode" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "monitor" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "dither" to value "n"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "shorts" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "loopback" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "netone" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "firewire" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for internal "netmanager" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for internal "profiler" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for internal "audioadapter" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for internal "netadapter" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: Listening for D-Bus messages
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: ------------------
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: Controller activated. Version 1.9.7 (4236) built
>> on Thu Jun 16 13:33:27 2011
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: Loading settings from
>> "/home/aaron/.config/jack/conf.xml" using expat_2.0.1 ...
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting engine option "driver" to value "alsa"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: driver "alsa" selected
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting engine option "realtime" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting engine option "verbose" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting engine option "client-timeout" to value
>> "500"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "net" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "dummy" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "alsa" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "device" to value "hw:0"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "rate" to value "44100"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "period" to value "1024"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "nperiods" to value "3"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "hwmon" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "hwmeter" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "duplex" to value "true"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "softmode" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "monitor" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "dither" to value "n"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "shorts" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "loopback" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "netone" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "firewire" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for internal "netmanager" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for internal "profiler" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for internal "audioadapter" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for internal "netadapter" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: Listening for D-Bus messages
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: Starting jack server...
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: JACK server starting in non-realtime mode
>>
>> 11:09:47.801 D-BUS: JACK server was started (org.jackaudio.service aka
>> jackdbus).
>>
>> 11:09:48.054 ALSA connection graph change.
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: control device hw:0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: control device hw:0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: Acquired audio card Audio0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: creating alsa driver ...
>> hw:0|hw:0|1024|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: control device hw:0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: configuring for 44100Hz, period = 1024 frames
>> (23.2 ms), buffer = 3 periods
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: ALSA: final selected sample format for capture:
>> 16bit little-endian
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: ALSA: use 3 periods for capture
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: ALSA: final selected sample format for playback:
>> 32bit integer little-endian
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: ALSA: use 3 periods for playback
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: graph reorder: new port 'system:capture_1'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: New client 'system' with PID 0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: graph reorder: new port 'system:capture_2'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: graph reorder: new port 'system:playback_1'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: graph reorder: new port 'system:playback_2'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: New client 'cadence' with PID 22834
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'a2j' with PID 23755
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'PulseAudio JACK Sink' with PID 23814
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'PulseAudio JACK Sink:front-left' to
>> 'system:playback_1'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'PulseAudio JACK Sink:front-right' to
>> 'system:playback_2'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'PulseAudio JACK Source' with PID
>> 23814
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'system:capture_1' to 'PulseAudio JACK
>> Source:front-left'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'system:capture_2' to 'PulseAudio JACK
>> Source:front-right'
>>
>> 11:09:49.960 Statistics reset.
>>
>> 11:09:49.979 Client activated.
>>
>> 11:09:50.016 JACK connection graph change.
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:49 2011: New client 'qjackctl' with PID 5754
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>>
>> -Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:47 AM, <harryhaaren@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Pasuspender is a way to make PulseAudio let go of the soundcard when JACK
>>> wants to access it. This *is* nessisary on systems where Pulse is the main
>>> sound daemon, but as KX uses JACK for all its audio needs, it will not have
>>> any effect.
>>>
>>> "Error: 2: can't open" did catch my eye though, are you passing any
>>> special arguments to your "dac~" in the patch? like "dac~ 1 2" or something
>>> to open the first & second channel? I've had problems there before, either
>>> because it did (or did *not*) start from 0. Can't remember the details, but
>>> perhaps that's it?
>>>
>>> -Harry
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher
> ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing)
> The University of Edinburgh, UK
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com |
> http://www.flxer.net
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
> From the jack log it seems that jack sink for PA is launched on startup
> (along with other clients).
>
> New client 'cadence' with PID 22834
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'a2j' with PID 23755
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'PulseAudio JACK Sink' with PID 23814
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'PulseAudio JACK Sink:front-left' to
> 'system:playback_1'
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'PulseAudio JACK Sink:front-right' to
> 'system:playback_2'
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'PulseAudio JACK Source' with PID 23814
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'system:capture_1' to 'PulseAudio JACK
> Source:front-left'
>
> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'system:capture_2' to 'PulseAudio JACK
> Source:front-right'
>
> Whereas that is useful to get always audio from the internet browser and the
> likes, perhaps it could interfere with Pd trying to connect to the same
> ports.
> Sometimes when ports are already in use Pd might fail to connect.
>
> I would try to launch jack with no other clients connected (in your case
> avoid launching cadence, a2j, and jack sink) and then start pd from terminal
> with the jack flag.
>
> M
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:14 PM, Aaron L. <elmastero74@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> To be honest, it's been so long since I've had my head in PD that I can't
>> even remember what all of the pieces of my fiddle script is doing (that's
>> another email for another list, I think....)
>>
>> But let's say I just want to start pd like this:
>> pdextended -jack channels 2
>>
>> Within PD, when I click on 'test audio and midi', I get the following DIO
>> errors in pd along with no test tone (after I select "60", of course) :
>> error: channels: can't open
>> error: 2: can't open
>> audio I/O error history:
>> seconds ago error type
>> 70.39 unknown
>> 70.39 unknown
>> warning: tone-osc: multiply defined
>> warning: tone-mon: multiply defined
>> warning: tone-osc: multiply defined
>> warning: tone-mon: multiply defined
>> warning: tone-osc: multiply defined
>>
>> No messages within Jack regarding any of this.
>>
>> Here's my Jack log:
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: Loading settings from
>> "/home/aaron/.config/jack/conf.xml" using expat_2.0.1 ...
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting engine option "driver" to value "alsa"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: driver "alsa" selected
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting engine option "realtime" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting engine option "verbose" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting engine option "client-timeout" to value
>> "500"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "net" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "dummy" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "alsa" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "device" to value "hw:0"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "rate" to value "44100"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "period" to value "1024"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "nperiods" to value "3"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "hwmon" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "hwmeter" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "duplex" to value "true"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "softmode" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "monitor" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "dither" to value "n"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting driver option "shorts" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "loopback" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "netone" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for driver "firewire" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for internal "netmanager" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for internal "profiler" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for internal "audioadapter" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: setting for internal "netadapter" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:33 2011: Listening for D-Bus messages
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: ------------------
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: Controller activated. Version 1.9.7 (4236) built
>> on Thu Jun 16 13:33:27 2011
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: Loading settings from
>> "/home/aaron/.config/jack/conf.xml" using expat_2.0.1 ...
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting engine option "driver" to value "alsa"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: driver "alsa" selected
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting engine option "realtime" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting engine option "verbose" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting engine option "client-timeout" to value
>> "500"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "net" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "dummy" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "alsa" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "device" to value "hw:0"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "rate" to value "44100"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "period" to value "1024"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "nperiods" to value "3"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "hwmon" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "hwmeter" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "duplex" to value "true"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "softmode" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "monitor" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "dither" to value "n"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting driver option "shorts" to value "false"
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "loopback" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "netone" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for driver "firewire" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for internal "netmanager" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for internal "profiler" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for internal "audioadapter" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: setting for internal "netadapter" found
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:42 2011: Listening for D-Bus messages
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: Starting jack server...
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: JACK server starting in non-realtime mode
>>
>> 11:09:47.801 D-BUS: JACK server was started (org.jackaudio.service aka
>> jackdbus).
>>
>> 11:09:48.054 ALSA connection graph change.
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: control device hw:0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: control device hw:0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: Acquired audio card Audio0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: creating alsa driver ...
>> hw:0|hw:0|1024|3|44100|0|0|nomon|swmeter|-|32bit
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: control device hw:0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: configuring for 44100Hz, period = 1024 frames
>> (23.2 ms), buffer = 3 periods
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: ALSA: final selected sample format for capture:
>> 16bit little-endian
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: ALSA: use 3 periods for capture
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: ALSA: final selected sample format for playback:
>> 32bit integer little-endian
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: ALSA: use 3 periods for playback
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: graph reorder: new port 'system:capture_1'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: New client 'system' with PID 0
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: graph reorder: new port 'system:capture_2'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: graph reorder: new port 'system:playback_1'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: graph reorder: new port 'system:playback_2'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:47 2011: New client 'cadence' with PID 22834
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'a2j' with PID 23755
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'PulseAudio JACK Sink' with PID 23814
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'PulseAudio JACK Sink:front-left' to
>> 'system:playback_1'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'PulseAudio JACK Sink:front-right' to
>> 'system:playback_2'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: New client 'PulseAudio JACK Source' with PID
>> 23814
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'system:capture_1' to 'PulseAudio JACK
>> Source:front-left'
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:48 2011: Connecting 'system:capture_2' to 'PulseAudio JACK
>> Source:front-right'
>>
>> 11:09:49.960 Statistics reset.
>>
>> 11:09:49.979 Client activated.
>>
>> 11:09:50.016 JACK connection graph change.
>>
>> Sun Aug 21 11:09:49 2011: New client 'qjackctl' with PID 5754
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks, all.
>>
>>
>> -Aaron
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 10:47 AM, <harryhaaren@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Pasuspender is a way to make PulseAudio let go of the soundcard when JACK
>>> wants to access it. This *is* nessisary on systems where Pulse is the main
>>> sound daemon, but as KX uses JACK for all its audio needs, it will not have
>>> any effect.
>>>
>>> "Error: 2: can't open" did catch my eye though, are you passing any
>>> special arguments to your "dac~" in the patch? like "dac~ 1 2" or something
>>> to open the first & second channel? I've had problems there before, either
>>> because it did (or did *not*) start from 0. Can't remember the details, but
>>> perhaps that's it?
>>>
>>> -Harry
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Marco Donnarumma
> Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher
> ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing)
> The University of Edinburgh, UK
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com
> Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com | http://www.thesaddj.com |
> http://www.flxer.net
> Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net
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