On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 03:04:44PM -0400, S. Massy wrote: > I won't jump into this fray of art vs. technique, as its just too dicey. > I agree with you, Fons, on the distortion introduced by limiting; but do > you have any theory as to why most people actually seem to like it? My > experience is that people seem to feel lightly compressed, open mixes > are weak, but will take to a "brutalised" mix enthusiastically. Do you > have a theory? I'm not so sure that 'most people actually seem to like it'. There are at least three cases to consider: 1. Reducing the (long term) dynamic range of music but without otherwise modifying it (done on many classical music recordings). 2. Using heavily compressed intruments or vocals to either change their sound or character, to make them fit into a very dense mix, or to ensure a high average or constant loudness. 3. Reducing the peak/loudness ratio of a mix by whatever means, including introducing gross distortion, for reason other than artistic. With music today being wallpaper to many people instead of something being listened to for its own sake and in conditions that allow large dynamic range, it's no surprise that Joe Average likes (1) and actually prefers his music to be compressed to a very narrow loudness range. It's another question if that should be done at the recording end. Including an optional compressor in e.g. an ipod would not increase its complexity in any way. There is nothing wrong with (2), it's just an artistic decision how far you go with that, and it can produce a nice sound. I am not at all convinced that people actually like (3). Take two recordings of the same piece, one processed and one original (which may include (1) and (2)). If you play them at the same peak level the unprocessed one will seem dull and weak of course. But if you play them at the same loudness the unprocessed one will win in terms of punch and 'in-your-faceness'. Of course as an artist you may actaully _want_ the sound of (3) for artistic reasons - it's not worse than a painter wanting to use only saturated bubblegum colors. But I'm pretty sure that in almost all cases the decision to go for (3) is made for other motives. > Also, aren't we a bit of a slave to whatever people > happen to like, however much we might feel it is inferior? How much any person wants to be a slave of the mainstream is (in most Western societies) just that person's choice. One that could have consequences of course, as does any choice. Ciao, -- FA _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
