On Thu, September 9, 2010 10:48 pm, david wrote: > Patrick Shirkey wrote: >> On Thu, September 9, 2010 10:19 am, Ken Restivo wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 05:14:59PM +0400, Louigi Verona wrote: >>>> "It is my considered opinion and that of a large number of musicians >>>> and >>>> artists throughout the world that pop music is being used as social >>>> control." >>>> >>>> I would agree with Patrick on this one. >>>> >>>> It is not a conspiracy, it is just a matter of common interests of >>>> large >>>> corporations and powerful people. >>>> Maybe this control is not too big, its effect does dry out as I >>>> mentioned >>>> before, but it is certainly there. >>>> >>> Twas ever thus. Music is a social emulsifier, and has been so at least >>> as >>> far back as the days of tribal drumming and chanting. It affects us >>> powerfully, physically, and at an emotional level that is very >>> difficult >>> or impossible to contain via rational thought. >>> >>> That has not changed. What has changed is the structure of the society >>> in >>> which the music exists. >>> >>> I agree that this social structure has changed in a way that is toxic >>> to >>> humans-- a world run by zombie undead corporations that are not even >>> alive >>> (maybe the sci-fi books were on to something, and the evil robots that >>> have taken over the world now have Inc, SP.A, Gmbh, and LLC in their >>> names), to the benefit of a comparatively tiny elite minority of humans >>> (comparatively: to 7 billion people, even hundreds of thousands is >>> tiny) >>> of uber-wealthy families. >>> >>> What I don't buy is the conspiracy theories that seem to permeate the >>> right wing and left wing of politics, so Patrick's argument lost me at >>> "Rothschilds" and 'QEII". Nah, the uber-wealthy back-stab each other >>> and >>> look out for themeselves, and they have no problem stealing from each >>> other as easily as stealing from the rest of us. Plus, there are >>> numerically a LOT of them around-- good luck coordinating hundreds of >>> thousands of people. >>> >>> So, I very much doubt that the rich elite are acting in any kind of >>> organized conspiracy. Shared interests and shared goals, perhaps, but I >>> see any coordination they might be doing, as being loose and with a >>> great >>> deal of mutual mistrust. The rich elite have always been a >>> back-stabbing, >>> venial, loathesome lot, at least as far back as the days when an >>> English >>> bard documented their courtroom intrigues in some rather well-written >>> plays. >>> >> >> I would agree with you except for the pyramid does not flatten out once >> you get to a certain amount of money in the bank. >> >> Hence even the Heriditary elite are subject to the structure of the >> system >> and are complicit in maintaining it in order to retain their status, >> wealth, power, etc... >> >> It's a self fulfilling system. IIUC, the way the system works is so that >> the ones at the very top whether it's the same people, families or a >> rotating door get the most out of the system. The closer to the the top >> you get the more the system offers you in return for the effort you put >> in >> to maintain the position. >> >> Technically it's not a conspiracy because that belittles the system. >> Anyone who thinks that understanding it in it's entirety and seeing it >> for >> what it really is constitutes a conspiracy theorist is misunderstanding >> the term conspiracy. >> >> A really interesting conspiracy would be if certain people at the top >> were >> actively trying to cover up information that would lead to them being >> taken out of that position or held accountable for the heinous crimes >> that >> they are committing. >> >> In that case I think we have ample evidence to prove there is at least >> one >> large conspiracy and several other supporting conspiracies at play. It >> is >> not news and as you rightly say it has even been used as the motivation >> to >> produce some of the finest works of literature and art. >> >> IMO to deny it is happening is just a cop out by lazy or scared people >> who >> don't want to admit the system is really screwed up. It also ensures >> apathy can reign supreme and the status quo is maintained. It is the >> simplest and most effective way for the system to maintain it's >> structure. >> Hence the mass media is used to encourage and distract from that way of >> thinking. The checks and balances in place now have been carefully >> weaved, >> bolted and welded into place over millenia. >> >> This goes all the way back to the Sumerians which means at least 12,000 >> years of documented civilisation. >> >> When the Egyptians and the Incas built the pyramids they were making a >> fundamental political statement as much as they were proving their >> technological prowess. The people at the top are still making that >> statement. Just look at Berg Kalipha... >> >> Denying it does not change the fact that it is happening. > > Merely saying that it is happening doesn't confirm it, either. > You don't need to take my word for it. If you are a brainwashed person then it will probably be quite difficult for you to see from my perspective anyway. If you take the time to do the research you will find there is more than enough credible published and publicly released evidence outlining a number of real, previous and currently active global conspiracies. I doubt there is a need or requirement to deal with or outline them all directly on this list. In the context of mass media being used as a form of social control I am not the only person who has identified patterns consistent with this issue. It's not my concern if other people can't also identify the patterns. Like I said I am interested in using the same compositional methods to create subversive material that directly attacks the fundamental structure and basis of the mass media's attempts at brain washing. IMO it is being done systematically already and the results are being seen in the affect on society as a whole. That a large number of brainwashed people particularly from a specific country don't care or are not able to see it and the results of that are exported to the rest of the world through the dominance of the media output from said country is a big concern for me. In fact it's safe to say that myself and people who share my views are a minority. >From my perspective the people who can affect change are the ones who actively pursue it not the ones who bury their heads in the sand and deny anything needs to be done. In fact it's the core reason I spent a considerable part of the past 11 years of my life to working on Linux and Linux Audio. I'm good at finding and fixing bugs. There are millions of other Linux people out there who have the same knack. We are being directly affected by a large number of people with much less wholesome agendas, bigger bank balances and more resources. But we still keep up the pressure and in many ways are actually winning the "battle". Like someone said earlier "Fighting for peace is like fucking for chastity". I don't see any point in fighting the system or the powers that be. It's clear they have all the weapons and motivation to win a physical fight. IMO subverting a key tool that is used to maintain the system is a reasonable use of ones time. -- Patrick Shirkey Boost Hardware Ltd. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
