On Friday 02 July 2010 19:42:03 Hartmut Noack wrote: > Am 02.07.2010 13:49, schrieb drew Roberts: > > On Friday 02 July 2010 04:21:18 Hartmut Noack wrote: > >> Ideas shall be free and in music they are actually. Actual work shall be > >> attributed and the person, who did the work shall get a > >> compensation/reward for the work. > > > > This is where it breaks down. You don't get paid for your work unless > > someone agrees to pay you. > > OK, yes: "reward" is the word if money changes hands. Maybe I should be > more specific. last year I worked for about 60h to record a song that is > 7min long. I choosed to release it CC BY SA because seeing the song > spreading and some 1000 people listening to it seemes quite some reward > to me. I can do so because: > > 1.) I made some money writing about working with the software we made > the song with. > > 2.) The other guitar-player in the song agreed to release the tune that > way. > > 3.) I cut the time I make music to have time to do other things some > people agree to pay me for ;-) Sure. I am involved in some recording efforts right now that should end up being released BY-SA. There is a temporal black hole hanging out nearby it seems. Part of this long time is likely due to everyone's (or just about everyone's) lack of experience in a recording studio. So we can't really properly charge all of this time to the cost of making the recordings as some should properly be charged to our educations. > > > Some people get hired to be a fisherman. Some people pay for the > > opportunity to go out and fish. Some people just go out and fish. They > > may each put in the same number of hours in a day. > > This is a very very complicated matter. Only 3 hints on how I think > about fishing: > > - Supertrawlers/Industrial fishing > - Marine Life census: http://www.coml.org/ > - Piracy (the kind with speedboats and machine-guns that is...) Sure. I could have chosen some other activity that is practiced for various purposes. Fishing is just a fairly big part of our lives here in the Bahamas. Our soil is very poor. > > If we really take it only as a metaphor it is still linked to social > issues. Some can afford to go fishing just for fun, even if they have to > pay for, others make little money fishing all day and do not care that > much about elegance, the joy of hunting and much less about how many > fish will survive to be available for coming generations. A single > blue-finned tuna can be sold for more then 100.000 USD so there is > fishing and there is fishing. > > In all cases one needs the ressources to do it: time and money that is. > > >> "doing one thing for some time and having no time to do something else > >> in the same time". > > > > But they don't each get paid. Some actually pay. Some get paid. With > > some, no money changes hands. > > > > But, if you don't get hired to make music and ensure your pay before you > > make the music. You can make it and hold on to it yourself until you get > > paid. If it is difficult to do that, that is life in a free world. Asking > > for chains to be put upon everyone else to make this easier for a > > musician is asking too much. Especially when the chains already in place > > are so burdensome and yet still not good enough. > > In this I agree. > > The chains in use today are anachronistic and more a burden than > something helpful. But still creators shall have the right to choose how > their work is spreading. I disagree that they should have this right. That they do legally now is one thing. That this is natural and not artificial is another. I also disagree that comedians should have the right to choose how and where their jokes are repeated. I do not agree that we should have water cooler police. > Even if it is the old bad way, they choose and > that choice should be respected. Personally I choose not to respect the decision of people who choose to exert this control over others except to keep their works Free via a copyleft play. That is not to say that I break the law or encourage others to do so. So while obeying the law I have no respect for the decision made and my respect for the people involved is lessened by their decision. > > To break the rules will not change them. It will only provide assertions > for more enforcement, more control, more trouble and less progress for > everyone. Well, while I choose to obey the rules and make a Free and copyleft play to work towards a counterbalance, I think history has example that tend to argue against your thought being universally true. > > Who wants to break the old system of ASCAP, GEMA and the like should > promote better alternatives. +1 Agree. > And such alternatives will only be > powerfull enough to break the old ways if they can persuade creators to > use them. +1 Agree. I actually got into doing BY-SA stuff as thanks for all the GPL stuff I enjoy and the fact that I don't enjoy programming as much as I once did and don't do what I consider my fair share of GPL stuff. > Radiohead made much more money with the nearly free downloads > of In Rainbows(1) than they ever made with an album released the old way. > Thatś some persuation I'd say ;-) Yes, and it could likely have done just as well as a BY-SA play without the need for an NC play. > > But of course they get all the download-donations because they where a > big industry-act already. W do have a lot of experimenting and documenting to do for each other. > So a new and better system should also provide > ways to make artists that release freely heared worldwide. Care to join in and help with the FreeMusicPush? http://freemusicpush.blogspot.com/ > Big concerts, > videoclips, airplay etc etc etc. > And payment to allow them to work fulltime, with adeaquate equipment.... One thing I would like to see for those that want it. It should be obvious that some don't is for people with the requisite skills to be able to earn a decent living making Free Music for the rest of us. I really don't care if a system we discover together that allows this allows any in that new system to achieve huge wealth. If it does, fine, but if it doesn't, I would not consider that to be a defect. > > best regs > > HZN > > 1: man, was I disappoited by In Rainbows, I did not download but bought > it Vinyl, listened trice or so and then put it on my "stuff to sell at > ebay"-shelf.... all the best, drew _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
