Re: perhaps why some of us have more trouble w/ pulseaudio than others (ICE1712/M-audio delta problem w/ pulseaudio)

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Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 00:10 -1000, david wrote:
Ng Oon-Ee wrote:
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 3:53 PM, david <gnome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
IMHO, the obvious solution would be for them to simply stop wasting their
time on PA and make an existing and better solution (JACK) better. ;-)

JACK and PA are not aimed at the same problem, and as such are not
either-or in the same way alsa/OSS are. IMO JACK cannot be used as a
general desktop-audio solution, per-app volume, BT headsets, moving
audio streams between sound-cards, all cannot be done with JACK as-is
right now.
JACK "as-is" could be given those abilities, I'm sure. But PA wants to spend their resources on their project.

JACK is not targetted at the same things. I highly doubt software amping
in the JACK server, connectivity with high-latency BT headsets, and
multi-card setups (with corresponding timing drifts) is at all on the
roadmap for JACK. That's not what its for.

You don't like PA, and that's fine. But implying that the PA devs
intentionally ignored JACK in order to develop a competitor is plain-out
untrue.

Again, PA is not aimed at pro-audio, JACK is. Conversely, JACK is not
aimed at desktop audio, and none of us would like it to be taken in
that direction I think.
I've heard things from the PA camp saying that with PA, you don't need JACK ...

Anyway, no PA here. Don't need it to play MP3s. Don't need to hear stupid, pointless audio notifications from desktop software, either - on ANY OS I use.

Yes, FUD is common anywhere on the Internet. Opinions are just that.

Opinions are not FUD. What I say about PA isn't FUD, either. My opinion is that it is utterly useless for any audio purpose. It's certainly not needed to simply play an MP3 or hear a silly beep (if that's your preference).

Your opinion is that desktop notifications are pointless, most new Linux
users wonder why Gaim (Empathy now, I guess) doesn't inform them when
their friends send an IM. I don't think its too hard to ask you to look
beyond your usage scenario to see the usefulness of PA.

Most Linux and Windows users I know (I work with MANY Windows users at a corporation of 1600 employees) have desktop sound notifications turned off. They don't want them intruding on their MP3 listening!

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David
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