Re: Questions on New Recording Gear

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Okay, I'd like to try this arrangement with the
cables/patch-bays/etc., though I currently need monitor speakers and
am just using headphones-

>From sources to mixer:
1. 4 XLRs (mics) into Mackie strips 1-4
2. 1 Line In (from guitar amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 5
3. 1 Line In (from another amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 6
4. 2 Line Ins (from "Master Out" (L&R) of elec.drumset) into Mackie strip "9-10"
(Also hooking elec.drumset's MIDI up to the Delta 1010 dig.rec.system)
(Also hooking up USB/MIDI keyboard/controller to computer)

>From mixer to digital recording system:
5. 4 TRSs (from Mackie Direct Outs 1-4) into Delta inputs 1-4
6. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 5) into Delta input 5
7. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 6) into Delta input 6
8. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Sub Outs 1-2, with "1-2" enabled) into Delta inputs 7-8

>From digital recording system to mixer:
9. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 1-2) into Mackie strip "13-14", with "L/R" enabled
10. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 3-4) into Mackie strip "15-16", with "L/R" enabled
11. 1 TRS (from Delta out 5) into Mackie strip 7, with "L/R" enabled
12. 1 TRS (from Delta out 6) into Mackie strip 8, with "L/R" enabled
13. 2 TRSs (from Delta outs 7-8) into Mackie strip "11-12", with "L/R" enabled

>From mixer to PA:
14. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Main Outs L&R) into PA channels 1 & 2

>From PA to speakers:
15. 2 TRSs (from the 2 PA Outs) into 2 monitor speakers

I don't know... would that set-up work?

My hunch is using the PA is overkill in a home recording situation,
though perhaps appropriate in a live setting. It has 4 channels, so
that opens up an additional 2 free channels for 1 more stereo source.
Right?

Well, that's my attempt at using every single strip on the mixer. ;) I
hope I didn't totally mutilate the patching order.

Here's my attempt at a more immediate set-up for home recording and
monitoring via headphones:

>From sources to mixer:
1. 4 XLRs (mics) into Mackie strips 1-4
2. 1 Line In (from guitar amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 5
3. 1 Line In (from another amp "Line Out") into Mackie strip 6
4. 2 Line Ins (from "Master Out" (L&R) of elec.drumset) into Mackie strip "9-10"
(Also hooking up elec.drumset's MIDI to the Delta 1010 dig.rec.system)
(Also hooking up USB/MIDI keyboard/controller to computer)

>From mixer to digital recording system:
5. 4 TRSs (from Mackie Direct Outs 1-4) into Delta inputs 1-4
6. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 5) into Delta input 5
7. 1 TRS (from Mackie Direct Out 6) into Delta input 6
8. 2 TRSs (from Mackie Sub Outs 1-2, with "1-2" enabled) into Delta inputs 7-8

>From digital recording system to mixer:
9. 2 TRSs (from Delta Outs 1-2) into Mackie strip "15-16", with "L/R" enabled
(Using the Delta Outs 1-2 as Main Mix)

>From mixer to headphones:
10. Enable "Main Mix 'Source'" on Mackie & adjust phones volume w/
phones in phones port "A" on the Mackie

I do plan on getting monitor speakers, and I do have normal computer
speakers (Harmon-Kardon "2.1", not sure how I could implement those in
this set-up) but I'll need to otherwise make do with headphones for
now.

I'd like to be able to use the 6 extra Delta Outs, the Mackie's subs
3-4, all of the extra Sub Outs on the back of the Mackie, the
remaining two Direct outs (7 & 8) on the Mackie, the remaining Ins on
the Mackie (7, 8, 11-12, & 13-14), and of course the Aux features
would be auxsome... I mean awesome. All in due time. :)

Anyway, did I do anything wrong with the patch set-ups above, in
particular the 2nd one - with 10 steps - that ends up monitoring via
headphones?

Thanks!


On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Scott Ecker <lau@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ectropic Harmony wrote:
>> I've recently started adding new gear to my studio, which isn't much...
>>
>> Here's the list...
>>
>> Instruments:
>> Acoustic & electric guitars
>> Bass guitar
>> Electronic drumset (a very nice Roland, MIDI but also has direct
>> outs/main outs (1/4" TRS))
>> USB/MIDI keyboard (M-Audio Axiom 49)
>> Various other instruments, percussion, winds, strings
>>
>> Misc. gear:
>> Amps (combos, i.e. Marshall, TubeWorks)
>> Power amp (not currently using this, it's a 4 channel PA)
>>
>> Recording gear:
>> 4 mics (AT2020s)
>> Mixer (Mackie 1642-VLZ3, 16 channel 4 bus analog mixer)
>> Digital audio interface (M-Audio Delta 1010)
>> Computer (64-bit quad core 2.6GHz CPU, 4GB RAM, 3TB space; running
>> Ubuntu Studio 9.10)
>>
>> The new equipment is the recording gear - specifically the Mackie
>> mixer, the Delta 1010 audio interface, and the mics.
>>
>
> This isn't too unlike my setup, except that I have an acoustic drum
> kit.  The keys to successful acoustic recording (IMO):
>
> 1. Good microphones.
> 2. Good cables.
> 3. Good mixer.
> 4. Good room.
>
> The rest of it comes down to mic placement, and the quality of the
> musicians themselves.  The difference between the cheap and modestly
> priced components above will manifest itself in hiss and line noise.
> Every step in the chain must be good (or better) quality to get a smooth
> recording.
>
> My setup is tubes and acoustics all the way to my DAW.  Ardour is
> amazing and does everything I need to record 12+ tracks simultaneously.
>
> -Scott
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