Re: <OT> 'Sir' Elton John (a.k.a. Pennyhouse with rolls) wants to shut down the web <off topic>

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On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 18:40 -0400, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> On 8/3/07, Paul Davis <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>          internet,
>         > is that people with similar non-mainstream interests can
>         find each
>         > other.
>         
>         if they can be bothered, between playing WoW/guitar
>         hero/katamari,
>         texting friends on their phones, and popping yet another DVD
>         in one of 
>         the many players at home.
> 
> Now that's ridiculously insulting and unnecessary.  I don't see any
> difference between wasting time with technology and wasting time
> without it.  If the millions of people playing WoW et al don't stop
> the people who create great music as a result of the internet ( e.g.
> having access to free software as a result of the internet, learning
> how to use granular synthesis as a result of the internet, studying
> psychoacoustics as a result of the internet), then who cares?

my point is that people have many more immediate distractions available
to them today without ever leaving their own homes. the motivation to
meet people with *any* other interests gets reduced somewhat when you
can happily keep the old synapses firing away by yourself.

>         
>         
>         its nothing to do with the quality of the art. its to do with
>         the social
>         role of art in bringing together artists and audiences in
>         varuous
>         combinations.
> 
> No, Elton was talking about the quality of the art.  Did you read what
> he said?
> "Instead they sit at home and make their own records, which is
> sometimes OK but it doesn't bode well for long-term artistic vision." 
> If the internet was shut down, he says, "I'm sure, as far as music
> goes, it would be much more interesting than it is today."
> And he's wrong.

i believe that his point is that without the social interaction the
quality of the music/art suffers. and i think he's right about that, but
probably wrong about the magnitude of the effect.

--p



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