On Fri, 2007-08-03 at 17:06 -0400, Chuckk Hubbard wrote:
> On 8/2/07, Paul Davis <paul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> good grief, did you even read/listen to what he had to say? it
> has
> absolutely nothing to do with the net as a
> distribution/retail/exchange
> medium.
>
> Well, what he said has nothing to do with that, but why he said it...
> Well if it was someone who wasn't senile I would suspect they had
> ulterior motives, but with him who knows.
thats ridiculously insulting and unnecessary.
If you're insulted that I called him senile, then nevermind; my point is still that just because he didn't say he was attacking the internet for intellectual property reasons doesn't mean he wasn't attacking the internet for intellectual property reasons.
> One other result of increased communication, including the internet,
> is that people with similar non-mainstream interests can find each
> other.
if they can be bothered, between playing WoW/guitar hero/katamari,
texting friends on their phones, and popping yet another DVD in one of
the many players at home.
Now that's ridiculously insulting and unnecessary. I don't see any difference between wasting time with technology and wasting time without it. If the millions of people playing WoW et al don't stop the people who create great music as a result of the internet ( e.g. having access to free software as a result of the internet, learning how to use granular synthesis as a result of the internet, studying psychoacoustics as a result of the internet), then who cares?
> Now certain musicians can have an audience that never could have
> found their audience without the help of large corporations before,
> and large corporations had no reason to help them. I think of Beck as
> being this way.
Beck? Beck predates the rise of the internet. Wikipedia says "He first
Then read what I wrote. "Increased communication, including the internet..."
came to wider public attention with his breakthrough single "Loser", a
hit in 1994,". 1994 ... i was just getting the insides of Amazon started
in 1994, i think that can be said to predate the internet as that term
is commonly understood today, or at least be contemporaneous with it at
a time when audio-via-dialup was not practical.
Nerds were communicating across continents without the interference of content programmers. I recall a friend of mine downloading a slew of Dave Mathews tablatures from newsgroups around that time. That couldn't have been an isolated incident, and it has to affect sales. They say the best advertising is word-of-mouth; how can the ability to talk to people in other time zones not affect that?
> I'm not sure how much role the internet had per se in his obtaining
> contracts, but the general increase in communication technology
> definitely helped. Primus comes to mind as well: they could only turn
> a profit by appealing to 1 out of 10 people in a million groups.
never heard of primus, which i guess proves your point.
Well if you've ever seen the intro to an episode of Southpark, you've heard their music. Their contract does predate the "rise" of the internet, but again, I don't think they would have been signed 10 years earlier, and I think technology played a role.
> I don't think that art produced by isolated individuals is generally
> worse than that made by people who are "out there".
its nothing to do with the quality of the art. its to do with the social
role of art in bringing together artists and audiences in varuous
combinations.
No, Elton was talking about the quality of the art. Did you read what he said?
"Instead they sit at home and make their own records, which is sometimes OK but it doesn't bode well for long-term artistic vision."
If the internet was shut down, he says, "I'm sure, as far as music goes, it would be much more interesting than it is today."
And he's wrong.
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