> No problem, final mixes are always done using just Ardour, and I > have no intention to buy a 40 input external mixer... > > But the one I do have is very useful, for the reasons I gave > in the previous post - flexible routing and monitoring while recording. Also for simple but > practical things like talkback. > > And in many cases I do mix 'live' and just record the stereo result. For some types of music > that's the natural way to do things - you don't want to fiddle with it afterwards. Fons, To respond to your original question, I believe that the behringer 1204 (not 1202) has the same "alt out" buttons as the mackie that you had. Another alternative is the yamaha mg12/4 - basically the same routing options as the mackie and the behringer. Both these come in a "fx" version that I've found useful for, say, adding a bit of reverb when monitoring but sending a dry signal to the pc for recording. Cheers, Stuart