> (just in case you don't know about vi - it's an editor with interface > that is an absolute heaven if you know how to use it but a total hell > for any novice, I mentioned it as an example of an interface done by > programmers for programmers) huh? its an interface most everyone here is familiar with. check out this nifty diagram: http://www.viemu.com/vi-vim-cheat-sheet.gif ; A