On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 12:06:52PM -0700, eviltwin69@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:57 , Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <rzewnickie@xxxxxxx> sent: > >On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:03:49AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: > >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 10:36:10 +0100, tim hall wrote: > >> > Last Monday 25 July 2005 22:15, Kevin Cosgrove was like: > >> > > On 25 July 2005 at 15:46, Ben Loftis ben@xxxxxxx> wrote: > >> > > > Most professional audio gear is like a bicycle. A bike is > >> > > > certainly not intuitive to a first time user, but once you > >> > > > learn how to balance, steer, etc, you can get around faster > >> > > > than someone on foot. This has sometimes been described as > >> > > > "intuitable" rather than intuitive. > >> > > Or, "discoverable" versus "usable". > >> > > Word is easy to discover for easy things to do. 'vi' is > >> > > *much* faster, if my 'vi' speed versus the 'Word' speed of my > >> > > compatriots is any gauge. Pull-down menus are "intuitive", where > >> > > as hot-keys are not. But, hot-keys get the work done quickly > >> > > once they're known. Pull-down menus which list their hot-key > >> > > shortcuts in the menu are quite nice for me. The Opera web > >> > > browser is one example of this. > >> > Thanks Kevin. All keybindings have to be learned. I can't use vi without > >> > constant reference to the manual. I dare say the same would be true of emacs. > >> > I dislike them both and use nedit for everything, simply because it works > >> > much more like a Windows based editor, so I had to relearn less in order to > >> > get typing when I first migrated. It's nothing to do with intuitabilty either > >> > - old habits die hard. > >> True, you have to decide wether its worth the effort. When I started > >> developing on UNIX machines I watched the old hands and relaised that 1) > >> they were all much faster than me, and 2) they (almost) all used vi. So I > >> took the effort to learn, in the knowledge that I would spend a lot of my > >> life typing. It took makes months to be able to fly vi, but now you can > >> prise it from my cold dead fingers. > >> I experience extreme discomfort when forced to use a non-modal editor, > >> and when I have to go through afterwards and remove all the ^[hhhhhhcw > >> afterwards :) > >> For anyone whos thinking of learning, dont start by trying to digest it > >> all, just start with i A yy dd, and go from there, its all pretty > >> logical when you get into it. > >Yes. I find vi to be very intuitive. > iiiiime too:wq! intuitable even. -- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki | Systems Administrator Technical Operations Division | Radio Free Asia 2025 M Street, NW | Washington, DC 20036 | 202-530-4900 CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATION This e-mail message is intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. Any unauthorized dissemination, distribution, or copying is strictly prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please contact network@xxxxxxxx
