On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 10:57 , Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <rzewnickie@xxxxxxx> sent: >On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:03:49AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote: >> On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 10:36:10 +0100, tim hall wrote: >> > Last Monday 25 July 2005 22:15, Kevin Cosgrove was like: >> > > On 25 July 2005 at 15:46, Ben Loftis ben@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> > > > Most professional audio gear is like a bicycle. A bike is >> > > > certainly not intuitive to a first time user, but once you >> > > > learn how to balance, steer, etc, you can get around faster >> > > > than someone on foot. This has sometimes been described as >> > > > "intuitable" rather than intuitive. >> > > Or, "discoverable" versus "usable". >> > > Word is easy to discover for easy things to do. 'vi' is >> > > *much* faster, if my 'vi' speed versus the 'Word' speed of my >> > > compatriots is any gauge. Pull-down menus are "intuitive", where >> > > as hot-keys are not. But, hot-keys get the work done quickly >> > > once they're known. Pull-down menus which list their hot-key >> > > shortcuts in the menu are quite nice for me. The Opera web >> > > browser is one example of this. >> > Thanks Kevin. All keybindings have to be learned. I can't use vi without >> > constant reference to the manual. I dare say the same would be true of emacs. >> > I dislike them both and use nedit for everything, simply because it works >> > much more like a Windows based editor, so I had to relearn less in order to >> > get typing when I first migrated. It's nothing to do with intuitabilty either >> > - old habits die hard. >> True, you have to decide wether its worth the effort. When I started >> developing on UNIX machines I watched the old hands and relaised that 1) >> they were all much faster than me, and 2) they (almost) all used vi. So I >> took the effort to learn, in the knowledge that I would spend a lot of my >> life typing. It took makes months to be able to fly vi, but now you can >> prise it from my cold dead fingers. >> I experience extreme discomfort when forced to use a non-modal editor, >> and when I have to go through afterwards and remove all the ^[hhhhhhcw >> afterwards :) >> For anyone whos thinking of learning, dont start by trying to digest it >> all, just start with i A yy dd, and go from there, its all pretty >> logical when you get into it. > >Yes. I find vi to be very intuitive. > iiiiime too:wq!
