On 12/15/05, Mark Knecht <markknecht@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 12/14/05, Lee Revell <rlrevell@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Wed, 2005-12-14 at 10:34 -0800, R Parker wrote: > > > The reason you piss people off is because every > > > helpful reply you make has a snide condescending > > > remark in it somewhere. Very seldomly do you reply > > > without registering your intolerance and your > > > superiority over whomever it is that you are > > > supposedly helping. > > > > > > Why should anyone even bother posting on this mailing > > > list when they will be expecting you to insult them? > > > > You are probably right. Really, I'm a nice guy, I guess my only excuse > > is that I spend a lot of time on development mailing lists where this > > type of behavior is tolerated at best and encouraged at worst. > > > > Sorry if I offended anyone... > > > > Lee > > Lee, > You've offended me at least a once or twice... ;-) > > That said you've helped me at least a million times more. I, for > one, am happoy that you're here. > > - Mark I have to admit, i was getting a touch annoyed there, as not all of us have limitless money to get what we want as far as opensource and fast goes. I'm still happy this list ends up friendly and happy. I was looking for a card with opensource drivers when i got my nvidia, but i really have to admit i'm very happy with my nvidia card with it's evil commercial drivers. It was 30 euro, and for that price you can't get a lot of pci-e stuff, with 256 mb of DDR3 mem that can play Red Orchestra (native linux) etc at max quality and good frame rates. to quote the opengraphics faq " *Will I be able to play Doom 3 with this hardware?* Nope, but at the time of this writing, there is no graphics card on the market on which you can play Doom 3 well while using open source drivers. Less demanding games are likely to work however. " my 6600le sli, plays doom 3 at 75 frames a sec 1024 X 768, at good quality settings. It's still a dull game though ;-) The opengraphics site says it's only pci, then agp. I've got pci-e. Given that the opengraphics card doesn't actually exist yet, but comparing the specs... 6600le opengraphics 1.2 Billion pixels/s :: 400 million pixels/s 4 Pixel Pipelines at 425 :: Dual pixel pipeline at 200 Mhz 1000 MHz memory :: 400 hz memory 3 Vertex Pipelines :: doesn't mention anything about them easy to overclock :: pretty much maxed out. so the open graphics card seem in the same league as an old $10 matrox that has open source drivers. Not anything like my 6600le, or even my onboard pci-e card, which has much higher specs than the opengraphics one. >From the faq " It will accelerate games to varying degrees, but that is not its primary purpose." So yeah, it all depends on what you want, good, fast, cheap and open, choose 2 ;-) Anyway... back to me trying to learn guitar. guitar is REALLY fun ;-) Trying to learn i'm on fire, bruce springsteen. Loki