On Tue, 2004-11-30 at 04:22, Marek Peteraj wrote: > You guys think i'm a fool, but i'm a believer. Nope, I don't think so (to the fool part, of course). It is the method you seem to choose I disagree with. Apparently you want to turn this into some kind of war (and you want all of us in it, with no disagreement, right). Then an "enemy" has to somehow be forced, for their own good according to your perception, into releasing information that they don't want to release. You are welcome to try that approach, but don't be surprised if other penguins disagree with that strategy. Many users sending polite letters to the companies involved asking for support: good. But getting the users to do that: probably hard. -- Fernando