On Sun, 28 Nov 2004 23:26:52 +0000, tim hall <tech@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Last Sunday 28 November 2004 20:31, Mark Knecht was like: > > My experience using both is no that different, but > > for me it's not political. > > > > Am I wrong when I think this desire is particularly European in > > nature? I'm so Open Market driven, especially when it comes to > > technology, that I hardly seem to understand this oter POV. However, I > > am interested. > > [-;{ > > European politics also include socialist points of view. [OT - the following is not about the thread. Just an experience.] Yes. In the job I just got kicked out of after 5 1/2 years of working for gentleman from India I saw the same thing kill his company. He couldn't even see when his socialistic view of how to run his business was killing him in the middle of the American Open Market economy. He thought it didn't matter where the money went since he was the beneficiary of everything good in the company and that it would trickle down to everyone underneath. What it did in our case was to make everyone think that the success of the company wasn't up to them but up to someone else. In the end everyone spent money and no one made any. I wasn't much impressed by this method of management... > European alternatives > seem more edgy, punky and rebellious compared to the relatively hedonic view > we get of American culture from this side of the pond. Windows, like > Coca-Cola and MacDonalds, is also seen as a byproduct of American Imperialism > by some. Interesting. I have no such view, but logically I shouldn't, right? I'm stuck in the middle of being Imperial so I cannot see the guillotine coming down on my neck, can I? ;-) >From this side of th epond it looks like American manufacuring enginuity making a product that the world wants (Coke or Pepsi, it don't matter...) and the socialists being upset that they didn't think of it first. ;-) Before I get flamed, I do understand tht the US got it's hed handed to it on a platter in the 1980's by the Japanese, what with cars and semiconductors, and it probably will have many more of these experiences in the future. That said, I'm guessing you'd agree that you're better off having the vote even on that side of the pond? ;-) > > I remember a young lad from New York coming to visit and being slightly > offended and rather perplexed when we suggested that he shouldn't drink > Coca-Cola. He was like: "What, you guys only drink Pepsi?".[*] > > I rest my case. LOL!! Love it! > > };-] > > tim hall > http://glastonburymusic.org.uk > > [*] Note for perplexed Americans: Being English, we only drink warm beer, > which we brew ourselves, or scalding hot tea, freshly stolen from the Indian > sub-continent, with a dash of milk. Of course. > Hey, almost exactly the state of affairs in my house, except there are some beers better served cold...