On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 22:36, Lee Revell wrote: > On Sat, 2004-11-27 at 15:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote: > > > Did this happen? > > > > Maybe not to them but look at Mackie and Behringer. > > Just to save people some googling here is a thread that documents the > long and colorful history of pro audio hardware manufacturers blatantly > ripping each other off, often leaving the victims with no legal > recourse: > > http://homerecording.com/bbs/archive/index.php/t-74439.html > > IMO the issue is not whether RME's concern is valid - clearly it is. > Sorry, but arguing otherwise makes us look stupid and naive. I don't think so. Currently there are new fw products coming out, in a few months time the audio market will be literally *flooded* with fw audio stuff. There's even mackie onyx analog mixer for which they offer an optional fw card for. Most of them *will* deliver 2-3ms latency i bet. And this under conditions which can't be guaranteed for many reasons(mostly rock-solid hw configuration which is guesswork to build most of the time, and *very* well tuned copy of windows that's installed). Heck i get crackles with a 256 setting with my fireface on an amd 2.2 system with amd761 northbridge and a g400(compared to what they claim, i.e. 1ms latency), don't ask what it does on a i815 chipset(which is crap chipset for critical applications such as audio but just to demonstrate). Of course i can't blame the hw manufacturers for that, it's simply impossible to guarantee that, it's just that it's achievable under some specific conditions. But nevertheless they *have* to deliver such performance because of the market. Now everybody does hiding it's own research from each other and the result is that there will be only these subtle differences in terms of performance. Who does suffer? Linux users. This just shows how healthy and benefitial the collaborative open source model is. Instead of working out an audio-over-ieee1394 standard they will just hide the stuff because everybody is just stealing. (their way of thinking) :/ So i think that no matter whether rme or other audio card manufacturer, in this case it's just not valid at all. Marek
