On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 08:48, Chris Pickett wrote: > Jan Depner wrote: > > On Mon, 2004-06-28 at 02:46, Anahata wrote: > > > >>On Mon, Jun 28, 2004 at 12:35:03AM +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote: > >> > >>>you could try to find a CD player > >>>with spdif output and, presuming you have spdif input on your computer, > >>>record the data digitally from a normal player. > >> > >>The possibility of doing this (I assume copy protected CDs can't prevent > >>it, if they can be played at all) is one more thing that makes a > >>mockery of the whole business of copy protection. > > > > > > What really makes a mockery of the copy protection racket is what the > > RIAA calls the "analog hole". If I can hear it, I can copy it. Find a > > CD player that can handle the chewed up CD, run the analog outs to your > > computer, record it. I seriously doubt that there is anyone around who > > can tell the difference between a digitally ripped copy and a digitally > > encoded analog copy. > > I can tell the difference, if it's not done properly, and it isn't > entirely trivial to do it properly. For starters, you need a decent > soundcard ... I've tried the stereo mini-in jack on this laptop and also > on a couple of other older motherboards / soundblasters and the quality > is _nowhere_ near the quality I get out of the VXpocket v2 with balanced > inputs, and even that's probably at the lower end of the "prosumer" > range. Non-sound people I know can immediately tell the difference too. > I've heard enough badly ripped vinyl recordings that I don't really > trust the general populace to make analog-to-digital encodings of any > work. Admittedly there are more complex factors involved with vinyl > than with CD's, but if it's any indication ... > You're missing the point; I have no problem doing it correctly, I have a pro soundcard, and it only takes one person ;-) After that it's all digital. Jan