On Tue, 9 Oct 2018, Dale Powell wrote:
But neither Xubuntu nor Ubuntu Studio, the two releases based on XFCE, come with Wayland. Not sure why you would be using it on an XFCE system at all.... The way things currently stand not sure I'd use it on anything but a KDE/Plasma install.
xfce works fine here. But I agree Plasma works well too. The only problem I have had with plasma was that it comes with a wayland login choice and in some DMs it is not labled that way and so the first Plasma login does nothing (well seems to freeze my system... no wayland thanks)
BTW, I have installed Studio and then Plasma on top of it and been quite happy with it.
Biggest issue I had with Ubuntu Studio 18.04 is that no matter what I tried it seems to not be possible to use multiple monitors without graphical glitches.
Hmm another case of YMMV. I have used two screens with Studio since forever and never had a problem. I do use Intel graphics though I have used nvidia in the past both with open and closed drivers and have not had trouble with multiple screens. xfce uses xrander based display managment and could do more than it does I guess... there are times it would be nice to make one screen "sticky" when moving through workspaces but I haven't found that a problem.
Plus there is an annoying bug in Thunar (but XFCE have just released a patch upstream, which I suspect will never make it to 18.04 as it's not a security patch) which can crash it if you use the tree view in side pane.
I guess I don't use tree view. However, I would still choose Thunar over Nautilus which has been gnomed to death...
Personally I've just managed to get Manjaro to a usable state after tinkering for a while and think I'm going to stick with this distro for a bit now....
Enjoy, I did try Majaro, I could make it work in a way I liked, but it was much more work that either xfce or Plasma.
One of the "new" gnome-isms that I hate is thew take over of of the window decorations. I tend to use many windows on any screen and I want to know which window has focus. I look for a desktop theme where the window with focus has a different colour than all others. Right now I am using orange for focused and grey for unfocused. Any gnome app I use insists on a grey title bar no matter what the theme is and merely makes the text slightly greyer for unfocused. This forces one to use click to focus instead of focus follows mouse (they still don't seem to have focus follows mind for some reason) which makes things like copying from one window in full view to a window partly covered hard to do.
Skinny window handles is another of complaint I have against many of the newer desktop themes. The motif wm may be old and plain but it easy to actually use.... though some of the old scroll bars took some getting used to :) No I am not suggesting a return to motif or fvwm...
I do not know which software installer is normally used for debian installs... but the old USC and the newer gnome software are both something to run away from. Synaptic and Muon both seem to work fine. (commandline programs are fine too) But the newer software installers have worked hard to divorce the GUI from the back end so that they can work with wayland... however they have not put in place any feedback communication from the backend installer to tell you things like "hey we are going to remove half your system so we can install this package you have asked for" or "this package is asking a question, how would you like to answer?" I have spent more time helping people restore/fix their system after using a bad sw installer. Jack installs with no RT is also very common too.
The short answer is that there is no reason to use Wayland unless you are testing/working on it. There is no reason to use Wayland in the audio world as all of your software will have to use Wayland's X translation to run it. Good Audio plugins do not use QT or GTK or other dynamic library based GUI's and so will not have wayland back ends. (This is probably true for plugins for other kinds of sw as well... like gimp for example)
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