On Mon, 18 Jun 2018 15:27:29 +0200 (CEST) "Jeanette C." <julien@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > thanks for this very detailed and critical feedback. I suppose I'm > caught between two chairs here: the tension and increase of energy - > in some way - and the current pop production and loudness war. Two > sides not readily consolable. :) As I progress in that field, it seems more and more that the loudness thing has nothing to do with it. That loudness, and energy as mentioned before, are not necessarily linked. Currently I'm amazed by what goes on for instance in "Escape of the Hopping Rhinos" at 1:33: yes, one keyboard level is raised, but other things are dropped. And then at 1:48 there's a clear feeling of setting back while still moving forward, by the drop of the main drums and reverting back to the electronic drums while the guitar gets thinner. These are currently only but experiments. They happened almost just by themselves although I realized what was going on and helped a little bit. The main thing is that this go on within a LUFS context so to speak. More and less energy in this context are not a product of loudness. I think they are relative to one's perception. Like a painter would arrange colours to give effects. The "notational" music in a piece is only one aspect and not the only aspect to be interpreted/decoded by listeners. In a way like Michael White once said, basses are like the front of a car one sees past a building wall. The onlooker will easily imagine the rest of the car even though it is not seen. Basses are like that. The brain can build basses from a tip being heard. I would say that there's a lot more going on in music in the same vein, which can be mostly out of the scope of notes and chords and rhythms and melodies. Especially with the level of audio processing available today, in Linux and elsewhere, and how it is possible to sculpt audio. Cheers. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user