On Sat, 21 May 2016 15:50:49 +0000, Fons Adriaensen wrote: >On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 03:58:24PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > >> >> But from were do come stereo signals in the field? >> > >> >A stereo microphone (or equivalent setup) for example. >> >> Yes, that already was pointed out by Jörn's explanation. I'm right >> there with you. >> >> However, if you're using double sided large membrane mics you could >> stepless chose directionality. > >*IF* you have that type of mic, and *IF* you can place it >exactly where you want it, and *IF* you can control the >placement of the performers, yes then maybe you can avoid >having to correct the stereo image. This is not the contentious issue. That is why microphony was given as an example when M/S processing could provide something, that can't be done without it. >> >> If you have access to all components, M/S processing doesn't >> >> make sense. How can one disagree with this? >> > >> >Because it's not true. >> >> Then give an example. > >I already did. You don't seem able to read, or to understand it. No, you only pointed out an example that isn't a contentious issue. *IF* you're doing microphony or *IF* you don't have access to individual components of any other stereo mix, then M/S processing could be helpful. That's beyond all question. Anyway, it can't do magic, the more components are part of a stereo signal, the less you can adjust with S/M processing. *IF* you've got access to all components, then there is no natural stereo source, excepted of microphony. Other sources could be - Stereo synth that don't provide access to their stereo components, but usually a synth allows to do this, exceptions are sounds such as gated drum samples, of which all kind of samples are available, so you just need to select the one that fits. - Stereo effects that don't allow adjustments, don't provide the needed kind of effect. This are absolutely rare exceptions. Assumed you need to pay for what you need, then you better pay for a good reverb, a selection of good effects and synth that allow to edit their stereo options, instead of paying for M/S processing, to fix issues that shouldn't exist. *IF* you are doing a multi-track recording and no complex microphony is involved, you unlikely ever need M/S processing. "Natural" and "intuitive" spreading of a stereo signal isn't if you use the M/S processing to improve the stereo master of a multi-track recording or even parts (sub groups), excepted of stereo microphony or assumed you shouldn't own a usable reverb, other usable effects or you only own cheapest stereo sample players. Regards, Ralf _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
