> I think the real job to be done is to make ogg a standard that's > accepted by M$ one fo these days and just included in their Media Player > releases, so the user doesn't have to figure this stuff out. As I said, open formats are complete anathema to microsoft. They will *never* *ever* support ogg until the US government does its job properly. with wma becoming the standard for commercial releases, its very sad. personally i feel its important to lead by example, while at the same time recognising that not everyone is in a position to be able to do the same... greetz -- Tim Orford
