On 12/9/2017 2:20 AM, Micka�l Sala�n wrote: > On 12/10/2017 18:33, Casey Schaufler wrote: >> On 10/12/2017 7:14 AM, Richard Guy Briggs wrote: >>> Containers are a userspace concept. The kernel knows nothing of them. >>> >>> The Linux audit system needs a way to be able to track the container >>> provenance of events and actions. Audit needs the kernel's help to do >>> this. >>> >>> Since the concept of a container is entirely a userspace concept, a >>> registration from the userspace container orchestration system initiates >>> this. This will define a point in time and a set of resources >>> associated with a particular container with an audit container ID. >>> >>> The registration is a pseudo filesystem (proc, since PID tree already >>> exists) write of a u8[16] UUID representing the container ID to a file >>> representing a process that will become the first process in a new >>> container. This write might place restrictions on mount namespaces >>> required to define a container, or at least careful checking of >>> namespaces in the kernel to verify permissions of the orchestrator so it >>> can't change its own container ID. A bind mount of nsfs may be >>> necessary in the container orchestrator's mntNS. >>> Note: Use a 128-bit scalar rather than a string to make compares faster >>> and simpler. >>> >>> Require a new CAP_CONTAINER_ADMIN to be able to carry out the >>> registration. >> Hang on. If containers are a user space concept, how can >> you want CAP_CONTAINER_ANYTHING? If there's not such thing as >> a container, how can you be asking for a capability to manage >> them? >> >>> At that time, record the target container's user-supplied >>> container identifier along with the target container's first process >>> (which may become the target container's "init" process) process ID >>> (referenced from the initial PID namespace), all namespace IDs (in the >>> form of a nsfs device number and inode number tuple) in a new auxilliary >>> record AUDIT_CONTAINER with a qualifying op=$action field. > Here is an idea to avoid privilege problems or the need for a new > capability: make it automatic. What makes a container a container seems > to be the use of at least a namespace. You might think so, but I am assured that you can have a container without using namespaces. Intel's "Clear Containers", which use virtualization technology, are one example. I have considered creating "Smack Containers" using mandatory access control technology, more to press the point that "containers" is a marketing concept, not technology. > What about automatically create > and assign an ID to a process when it enters a namespace different than > one of its parent process? This delegates the (permission) > responsibility to the use of namespaces (e.g. /proc/sys/user/max_* limit). That gets ugly when you have a container that uses user, filesystem, network and whatever else namespaces. If all containers used the same set of namespaces I think this would be a fine idea, but they don't. > One interesting side effect of this approach would be to be able to > identify which processes are in the same set of namespaces, even if not > spawn from the container but entered after its creation (i.e. using > setns), by creating container IDs as a (deterministic) checksum from the > /proc/self/ns/* IDs. > > Since the concern is to identify a container, I think the ability to > audit the switch from one container ID to another is enough. I don't > think we need nested IDs. Because a container doesn't have to use namespaces to be a container you still need a mechanism for a process to declare that it is in fact in a container, and to identify the container. > > As a side note, you may want to take a look at the Linux-VServer's XID. > > Regards, > Micka�l > -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-api" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
