Victor, One approach would be to blacklist as many modules as possible not essential to modem functon and ppp. Then reboot and retest. MarvS On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Bjorn Wielens <Uniacke1@xxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi Victor, > Yes, this driver SEGFAULT starts happening upwards of kernel 2.6.25.11, and > unfortunately, I have no skills at reading crash dumps, so I have no idea > where to start looking for the problem. Any takers? > Bjorn. > > > Victor Hahn wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >> I just installed a vanilla 2.6.26.1 kernel and sound works flawlessly >> here. >> Maybe Ubuntu messed something up, maybe it's just that it's a newer >> version, >> I don't know. >> >> However, now the modem doesn't work anymore. >> >> I patched the sound driver and compiled the modem driver. The modules load >> without any problems: >> >> # modprobe agrmodem >> # modprobe agrserial >> # >> >> dmesg says: >> >> agrmodem: module license 'Proprietary' taints kernel. >> * Hello Agere Driver ** >> Loading module Agere Modem Controller driver version 2.1.80 (2007-10-1) >> ttyAGS3 at I/O 0x4 (irq = 22) is a AgereModem >> Loading module Agere Modem Interface driver version 2.1.80.0 (2007-10-01) >> >> So I create a symlink to /dev/modem and try running wvdial: >> >> # ln -s /dev/ttyAGS3 /dev/modem >> # wvdial >> --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 >> Segmentation fault >> >> dmesg shows some rather nasty looking errors: >> >> ==> codecType = 0x32 >> BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at 00b351b5 >> IP: [<f9135508>] :agrmodem:findHDACodec+0x18/0x40 >> *pde = 00000000 >> Oops: 0000 [#1] SMP >> Modules linked in: agrserial agrmodem(P) af_packet rfcomm l2cap i915 drm >> ppdev >> ipv6 acpi_cpufreq cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_stats cpufreq_ondemand >> freq_table >> cpufreq_conservative cpufreq_powersave sbs sbshc container iptable_filter >> ip_tables x_tables coretemp sbp2 parport_pc lp parport loop joydev >> serio_raw >> psmouse pcspkr iTCO_wdt iTCO_vendor_support hci_usb sdhci bluetooth >> mmc_core >> snd_hda_intel snd_pcm_oss snd_mixer_oss snd_pcm snd_seq_oss shpchp >> pci_hotplug battery snd_seq_midi snd_rawmidi snd_seq_midi_event snd_seq >> snd_timer snd_seq_device snd soundcore ac snd_page_alloc video output >> button >> intel_agp agpgart evdev ext3 jbd mbcache sha256_generic aes_i586 >> aes_generic >> cbc sr_mod cdrom sg sd_mod ata_piix pata_acpi ahci ata_generic ohci1394 >> ieee1394 libata scsi_mod dock tg3 ehci_hcd uhci_hcd usbcore dm_crypt >> dm_mod >> crypto_blkcipher thermal processor fan thermal_sys fuse >> >> Pid: 6200, comm: wvdial Tainted: P (2.6.26.1 #2) >> EIP: 0060:[<f9135508>] EFLAGS: 00210206 CPU: 1 >> EIP is at findHDACodec+0x18/0x40 [agrmodem] >> EAX: 00b3519f EBX: f8cff0c4 ECX: f7bff000 EDX: 00000000 >> ESI: f8cff0c4 EDI: f8cff028 EBP: f2aadd60 ESP: f2aadd40 >> DS: 007b ES: 007b FS: 00d8 GS: 0033 SS: 0068 >> Process wvdial (pid: 6200, ti=f2aac000 task=efb72aa0 task.ti=f2aac000) >> Stack: f9135535 f91204b9 f8d095e9 f8d095ea f2aaddd0 c0124f2b f914e90b >> f2aaddaf >> f2aaddd0 f9109741 f8cff0c4 f8c6c048 00000008 00000001 f8cff39c >> 00000004 >> 00000001 00000000 00000000 00000000 c03b3394 00200202 00000000 >> 00000001 >> Call Trace: >> [<f9135535>] azlGetResourceInformation+0x5/0x10 [agrmodem] >> [<f91204b9>] CAzlIntelInit+0x2d/0x3c4 [agrmodem] >> [<c0124f2b>] printk+0x1b/0x20 >> [<f9109741>] LXHardwareStart+0x11de/0x13fb [agrmodem] >> [<f9104ef8>] linux_modem_open+0x45/0x10e [agrmodem] >> [<c012d72e>] __mod_timer+0x8e/0xa0 >> [<f905ef45>] modemPortOpen+0x5/0x10 [agrmodem] >> [<f8cedecb>] serial8250_startup+0x18b/0x350 [agrserial] >> [<c026ad89>] uart_startup+0x49/0x160 >> [<c026c831>] uart_open+0xf1/0x400 >> [<c0254b14>] check_tty_count+0x14/0xb0 >> [<c020c4bf>] kobject_get+0xf/0x20 >> [<c026c740>] uart_open+0x0/0x400 >> [<c0258ab5>] tty_open+0x145/0x2f0 >> [<c0258970>] tty_open+0x0/0x2f0 >> [<c018d01f>] chrdev_open+0x9f/0x190 >> [<c0188373>] __dentry_open+0xb3/0x230 >> [<c0188537>] nameidata_to_filp+0x47/0x60 >> [<c018cf80>] chrdev_open+0x0/0x190 >> [<c01952d1>] do_filp_open+0x181/0x7d0 >> [<c0137180>] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x40 >> [<c0102c33>] __switch_to+0xa3/0x160 >> [<c011e5e9>] hrtick_set+0x69/0x130 >> [<c01a178d>] mnt_drop_write+0x1d/0xe0 >> [<c0188092>] get_unused_fd_flags+0x52/0xd0 >> [<c0192f7a>] getname+0xaa/0xe0 >> [<c018815c>] do_sys_open+0x4c/0xe0 >> [<c018826c>] sys_open+0x2c/0x40 >> [<c0103dbf>] sysenter_past_esp+0x78/0xb9 >> ======================= >> Code: 00 00 c3 a1 40 2b a4 f8 8b 80 38 01 00 00 8b 40 28 c3 90 a1 40 2b a4 >> f8 >> 31 d2 8b 80 38 01 00 00 8b 48 6c 8b 44 91 24 85 c0 74 12 <66> 81 78 16 c1 >> 11 >> 74 0d 83 c2 01 83 fa 10 75 e8 f3 c3 31 c0 c3 >> EIP: [<f9135508>] findHDACodec+0x18/0x40 [agrmodem] SS:ESP 0068:f2aadd40 >> ---[ end trace b90962ad5b03bfcc ]--- >> >> If I try running wvdial again it just prints: >> >> # wvdial >> --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 >> >> and stays running. Not even kill -9 will terminate it. It does not print >> any >> further messages to dmesg. >> >> With the Ubuntu kernel the modem driver worked, even if the sound driver >> was >> messed up. Any ideas what to do about this now? >> >> Beste regards, >> Victor >> >> On Sunday 03 August 2008, Bjorn Wielens wrote: >> > Hi Victor, >> > In this case, it would seem to be a bug in ALSA. Upgrading to ALSA >> > 1.0.17 would likely resolve it, but this would disable the modem's >> > functionality (at least until you also upgrade to a kernel that ships >> > with ALSA 1.0.16 or newer (version info in /proc/asound/version) . -- we >> > do have a driver for this version of ALSA, but it will not compile if >> > the kernel source's ALSA version is not correct.) >> > We've received several reports of strange behaviour with ALSA modules in >> > Ubuntu- for example, one user reports that his volume sliders changed >> > after loading the patched module, which would again suggest differences >> > between what shipped precompiled with the kernel and what is in the >> > kernel source. >> > Best, >> > Bjorn. >> >> > Victor Hahn wrote: >> >> Hi Bjorn, >> >> >> >> I just tried it and indeed, it does! I commented out the two extra >> >> lines and >> >> it's still the same error. That very strange - shouldn't Ubuntu's >> >> linux-source package exactly match the precompiled kernel? This >> >> doesn't seem >> >> to be a compilation problem here as exactly the same happens with >> >> Marvin's >> >> precompiled module. But if this module were a different version from >> >> the >> >> original's it wouldn't work with the precompiled Ubuntu kernel, would >> >> it? I'm >> >> really confused about this... >> >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Victor >> >> >> >> On Sunday 03 August 2008, Bjorn Wielens wrote: >> >>> Hi Victor, >> >>> Does it also do such if you build/install the snd-hda-intel module in >> >>> /usr/src/linux without patching hda_codec.c? >> >>> If so, then it would seem the kernel has a different version of the >> >>> module than is provided by the source you're building from. >> >>> Bjorn. >> >>> >> >>> Victor Hahn wrote: >> >>>> Hi, >> >>>> >> >>>> thanks to your help, I got my modem working too. Thanks a lot! >> >>>> >> >>>> However, there's still one rather major problem. The patched >> >>>> snd-hda-intel.ko >> >>>> module rips my sound device off it's master channel. Whenever I >> >> start KDE >> >> >> >>>> (guess this has something to do with artsd, but I'm not too keen to >> >>>> investigate this) it produces a tone at (probably) maximum volume and >> >>>> won't >> >>>> stop any more. >> >>>> >> >>>> The modem modules don't have anything to do with it. This error also >> >>>> occurs >> >>>> when I compile a new kernel and patch the snd-hda-intel module as >> >>>> described >> >>>> in the howto. I don't quite understand how this small patch can cause >> >>>> such a >> >>>> strange behavior. Any ideas what to do about this? >> >>>> >> >>>> Best regards, >> >>>> Victor >> >>>> >> >>>> On Sunday 03 August 2008, Bjorn Wielens wrote: >> >>>>> Congrats, and thanks for letting us know! >> >>>>> Happy modeming! >> >>>>> Bjorn. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hugo Canalli wrote: >> >>>>>> New modem hardware is working. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~$ sudo dmesg | grep agr >> >>>>>> [ 105.709233] agrmodem: module license 'Proprietary' taints >> >>>>>> kernel. >> >>>>>> [ 105.709812] agrmodem: no version for "snd_cards" found: kernel >> >>>>>> tainted. hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~$ wvdial >> >>>>>> --> WvDial: Internet dialer version 1.60 >> >>>>>> --> Cannot set information for serial port. >> >>>>>> --> Initializing modem. >> >>>>>> --> Sending: ATZ >> >>>>>> ATZ >> >>>>>> OK >> >>>>>> --> Sending: ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 >> >>>>>> ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0 >> >>>>>> OK >> >>>>>> --> Modem initialized. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> thanks. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Hugo Canalli <hugocanalli@xxxxxxxxx >> >>>>>> <mailto:hugocanalli@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Are there a script error? >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> sudo ./setup >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Drivers to be installed are: agrmodem.ko >> >>>>>> agrserial.ko >> >>>>>> snd-hda-intel.ko >> >>>>>> installing drivers for kernel version 2.6.24-19-generic >> >>>>>> Saving existing driver to /root/ >> >>>>>> Desktop snd-hda-intel.ko >> >>>>>> Copying snd-hda-intel.ko to >> >> >> >> /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/ubuntu/sound/alsa-driver/pci/hda/snd-hda-i >> >> >> >>>>>> ntel.ko >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Making folder /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra >> >>>>>> Copying drivers to extra >> >>>>>> cp: cannot stat `ageserial.ko': No such file or directory >> >>>>>> Drivers agrmodem.ko ageserial.ko and snd-hda-intel.ko should >> >>>>>> next be displayed >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2056474 2008-08-02 00:57 >> >> >> >> /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/ubuntu/sound/alsa-driver/pci/hda/snd-hda-i >> >> >> >>>>>> ntel.ko >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/extra/: >> >>>>>> total 4596 >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1817731 2008-08-02 00:57 agrmodem.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 152226 2008-07-25 01:14 agrserial.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2716872 2008-07-24 18:48 rt61.ko >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Checking dependencies, will take a while. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Report any warnings to Discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx >> >>>>>> <mailto:Discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> >>>>>> If no warnings, report and test the modem >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> modem >> >>>>>> FATAL: Error inserting agrserial >> >> (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/agrserial.ko): >> >>>>>> No such device >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> ls /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/extra/ >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> cp: cannot stat `ageserial.ko': No such file or directory >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I've changed to `agrserial.ko': but there are other error: >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> modem >> >>>>>> FATAL: Error inserting agrserial >> >> (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/agrserial.ko): >> >>>>>> No such device >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> ls /lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/extra/ -la >> >>>>>> total 8 >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-08-02 00:56 . >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2008-04-27 19:21 .. >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> ls /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/ -la >> >>>>>> total 4692 >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 2008-07-25 21:45 . >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 51 root root 4096 2008-06-29 08:26 .. >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-07-24 23:02 agp >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1820902 2008-07-25 21:45 agrmodem.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1820902 2008-07-25 21:43 agrmodem.old >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 159612 2008-07-25 21:45 agrserial.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 159612 2008-07-25 21:43 agrserial.old >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17640 2008-07-12 02:32 applicom.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8972 2008-07-12 02:32 cs5535_gpio.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 58152 2008-07-12 02:32 cyclades.ko >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-07-24 23:02 drm >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10608 2008-07-12 02:32 dtlk.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 34024 2008-07-12 02:32 epca.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20216 2008-07-12 02:32 >> >> generic_serial.ko >> >> >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8360 2008-07-12 02:32 >> >>>>>> hangcheck-timer.ko drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-07-24 23:02 >> >>>>>> hw_random -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11144 2008-07-12 02:32 i8k.ko >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-07-24 23:02 ipmi >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16012 2008-07-12 02:32 lp.ko >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-07-24 23:02 mwave >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 36904 2008-07-12 02:32 mxser_new.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14136 2008-07-12 02:32 n_hdlc.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12896 2008-07-12 02:32 n_r3964.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6468 2008-07-12 02:32 nsc_gpio.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13640 2008-07-12 02:32 nvram.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10368 2008-07-12 02:32 >> >>>>>> pc8736x_gpio.ko >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-07-24 23:02 pcmcia >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13088 2008-07-12 02:32 ppdev.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9620 2008-07-12 02:32 raw.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44060 2008-07-12 02:32 rocket.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8684 2008-07-12 02:32 scx200_gpio.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 31308 2008-07-12 02:32 sonypi.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 49628 2008-07-12 02:32 specialix.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 45420 2008-07-12 02:32 sx.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 56064 2008-07-12 02:32 synclink_gt.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 71240 2008-07-12 02:32 synclink.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 61504 2008-07-12 02:32 synclinkmp.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 18284 2008-07-12 02:32 tlclk.ko >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 10100 2008-07-12 02:32 toshiba.ko >> >>>>>> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-07-24 23:02 tpm >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> sudo chmod +x >> >>>>>> /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/agrserial.ko >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> sudo chmod +x >> >>>>>> /lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/agrserial.ko >> >>>> hugleo@hugleo-desktop:~/Desktop/agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic$ >> >>>> >> >>>>>> modem >> >>>>>> FATAL: Error inserting agrserial >> >> (/lib/modules/2.6.24-19-generic/kernel/drivers/char/agrserial.ko): >> >>>>>> No such device >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> And don't work. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> :( >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:17 PM, Marvin Stodolsky >> >>>>>> <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx >> >>>>>> <mailto:marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Victor, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Unpack with: >> >>>>>> $ tar zxf agrsm*.tar.gz >> >>>>>> $ cd agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic >> >>>>>> Run >> >>>>>> $ sudo ./setup >> >>>>>> Read the HowTOs >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Package information below. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> MarvS >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> $ tar cvfz agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic.tar.gz >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/ >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/ >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/agrmodem.ko >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/snd-hda-intel.ko >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/agrserial.ko >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/HOWTO-Agere-11c11040-HDA.html >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/agrsm_howto.txt >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/HOWTO-11c11040-ru.html >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic/setup >> >>>>>> marv@marvlap:~/Desktop$ ls -lh >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic.tar.gz >> >>>>>> -rw-r--r-- 1 marv marv 1.5M 2008-08-01 21:14 >> >>>>>> agrsm-ubuntu8.04.1-2.6.24-19-generic.tar.gz >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Marvin Stodolsky >> >>>>>> <marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> <mailto:marvin.stodolsky@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote: >> >>>>>> > Bjorn, >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > This is your support case >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H " >> >>>>>> > CLASS=0403 >> >>>>>> > PCIDEV=8086:284b >> >>>>>> > SUBSYS=17aa:384e >> >>>>>> > IRQ=22 >> >>>>>> > HDA=8086:284b >> >>>>>> > SOFT=8086:284b.HDA >> >>>>>> > CHIP=0x11c11040 >> >>>>>> > on >> >>>>>> > CPU=i686, Linux version 2.6.24-19-generic >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > Victor >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > Start with the HowTos on >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> http://linmodems.technion.ac.il/packages/ltmodem/11c11040/ >> >>>>>> > We have a set of three compiled drivers you need from >> >> Roan's >> >> >> >>>>>> success, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > which I'll separately forward. >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > MarvS >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Is we on the tape! >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Is we on the tape! >> >> > >
