+1 On Wednesday, May 04, 2011 11:10:01 pm Russell Stuart wrote: > On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 13:06 -0500, Grant Taylor wrote: > > Seeing that now messages seem to be flowing in a timely manner, I'd > > suggest that we give this list a week to a month probation to see if > > it has straightened up it's act.I'd also like a comment from the list > > maintainer or a moderator in his / her stead. > > The argument against that it is well neigh impossible to move the list > if the lists dies again, and we all loose contact with each other. We > can only move the list while we are a coordinated group, and the only > means we have of coordinating is this list. Dying again soon seems > likely. I don't know why the list burst into life this time around, but > it has happened several times before only to die again a short while > later. > > I like others think the list and its associated HOWTO is a pretty > important resource. It would be nice to rescue it while we have the > chance. > > > I'd also like a comment from the list maintainer or a moderator in > > his / her stead. > > This person would be very handy if they pop up, but I would not be > waiting around for them. > > The current problem we have is a social one. We are a highly technical > group. Just about of any of us could run a list server. I imagine most > of us have the resources to do so. So the problem isn't running the > server. It is organising ourselves so the list is can be maintained > over decades as participants come and go. Having one person in charge, > running a domain name owned by them or on hardware owned by them is not > a good way to go. > > So Radu your offer to set up the list is great - but since it just > replicates the situation we are in now I don't think it or similar > offers are such a good idea. > > A list on vger.kernel.org does seem like a workable solution. Large a > third party provider such as google groups, yahoo groups, github, > sourceforge or savanaha may be an even better solution as they would be > just a reliable, and they provide a web page were we could collaborate > on for things like HOWTO's. We would just have to organise among > ourselves governance of the list properly. > > Normally I'd suggest we explore these other alternatives. But we don't > know when the axe will fall again. The chief attraction of > vger.kernel.org seems to be we don't have to organise governance - we > just hand it over to davem and matti (vger's admins). So there is no > mucking around with internal politics - one or more of us just ask them > to set set up the list. > > So who is in favour of doing this ASAP - like within the next few week > or so? If you respond to this email, we can use the archived responses > as proof to vger.kernel.org's admins there is sufficient interest to > make it there worth their while. > > > However I think that this list (LARTC) is well known and documented all > > over the place. So even if we migrate elsewhere, there will still be > > people that stumble on to this list. > > Yes, but there is nothing we can do about that. Stumbling over a dead > list is not useful, regardless of how easy it is to find. A working > list what we need, and that should be our first priority. > > If the person who owns lartc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx pops up then we can do > other things that ameliorate "stumble over this list" problem - things > like putting in email redirects, put notices on web pages and so on. > But such things are just icing on the cake. We should not wait to see > whether we can do it. Just move the list, and organise the icing later > if we can. -- Luciano Ruete Sequre - Sys Admin Mitre 617, piso 7, of. 1 +54 261 4254894 Mendoza - Argentina http://www.sequre.com.ar/ -- Luciano Ruete -- Luciano _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc
