I may have the answer to my own questions: (1) When the value for the DSCP field for EF (Expedited Flow) is hex 2E, why does tcpdump display it as hex B8? I think there's some bit shifting going on. The DSCP field is the left most 6 bits of the DS octet in the packet header. 2E is 0010 1110. But really, we only care about the leftmost 6 bits, so it's really 10 1110. I'll bet tcpdump displays the whole octet, not just those 6 bits. The rightmost bits are 0. So add them on to the right and it's 10 1110 00. Or, putting it together like hex digits, 1011 1000, or hex b8. And, sure enough, this is what tcpdump shows me. So it's gotta be that tcpdump displays the whole DS octet, but it confuses me by calling it tos. (2) Assuming the tos value tcpdump shows me makes sense, why do some packets in the tcpdump output stream show tos values and others don't? This just hit me. Examining the output more closely, the packets do NOT show tos values are inbound. The packets that DO show tos values are outbound. As I think about it, this kind of makes sense. TCPDUMP puts the NIC in promiscous mode and listens directly to it. So it grabs and displays inbound packets right off the NIC, before they ever get into the kernel. i.e. - tcpdump displays them before the kernel puts in those bits in the mangle table. Outbound is opposite. On the way out, the packets have gone through all the kernel processing and now they're on their way out. So outbound packets will show the tos values because my firewall rules put them in. Cool! It also occurs to me, I can test this by looking at the internal interface, which moves packets to/from the internal LAN. If my theory is correct, and given the rules in my little script, then I should see the opposite behavior. Outbound packets should NOT show a tos value, and inbound from the Internet should show the tos value my firewall rules put in, shiftet by 2 bits. So trying my little experiment, the results are not exactly what I expected, but they still fit the theory: [root@fw firewall-scripts]# /usr/sbin/tcpdump -i eth1 host 192.168.16.4 -n tcpdump: listening on eth1 . . . 15:57:15.244738 mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3230 > 192.168.16.4.3230: udp 92 [tos 0xb8] 15:57:15.268208 192.168.16.4.3232 > mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3232: udp 219 [tos 0x80] 15:57:15.298114 192.168.16.4.3230 > mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3230: udp 92 [tos 0xa0] 15:57:15.310663 192.168.16.4.3231 > mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3231: udp 64 15:57:15.338424 192.168.16.4.3232 > mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3232: udp 427 [tos 0x80] 15:57:15.358067 192.168.16.4.3230 > mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3230: udp 92 [tos 0xa0] . . . 452 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel [root@fw firewall-scripts]# I think I know what's going on. The near-end H.323 device has its own QOS settings and I'll bet it's putting these in when it asembles IP packets. H.323 has a bunch of separate sub-conversations, including audio, video, and remote camera control. When I look at the settings on the device, each of these has its own QOS value. The far-end device has all its QOS stuff turned off. So the internal interface has QOS stuff already set when each packet hits the NIC. Of course, the firewall replaces these with its own QOS values in the mangle table later on, but we don't see that yet for outbound packets. If anyone has waded through all this, am I making sense? Also, now that I'm convinced I really am writing the DSCP values I want, how do I know whether the packets really go into that first priority PFIFO band? Thanks - Greg Scott -----Original Message----- From: lartc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lartc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Scott Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 10:10 AM To: lartc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: Very simple traffic shaping script for H.323 Maybe my idea from the other day isn't so simple. When I run tcpdump and watch my h.323 packet stream, tcpdump shows a stream that looks like this: . . . 09:16:09.031943 abc.def.ghi.jkl.3230 > mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3230: udp 92 [tos 0xb8] 09:16:09.048128 mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3230 > abc.def.ghi.jkl.3230: udp 92 09:16:09.071137 abc.def.ghi.jkl.3232 > mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3232: udp 245 [tos 0xb8] 09:16:09.071535 abc.def.ghi.jkl.3232 > mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3232: udp 245 [tos 0xb8] 09:16:09.076762 mno.pqr.stu.vwx.3232 > abc.def.ghi.jkl.3232: udp 262 . . . where abc.dev... is the IP Addr of the listening H.323 device and mno.pqr... is the IP Addr of the calling system. This spawns 2 questions. First, what's up with the tos bits? The TOS field is only 5 bits and it's obsolete anyway, so clearly when tcpdump shows tos bits it must mean something else. Is tcpdump showing me the whole DS octet? Or the leftmost 6 bits of the DS octet? Or what? From what I've been reading, that DS octet has been carved up so many different ways over the years that I am now hopelessly confused. Next, why don't all packets show a tos field? My iptables rules should put a value in the DS octet for everything to/from that IP Address (see below). So why aren't they in there? Here are some test results. In the test below, the conversation used 768 packets. Yet it only set the DSCP bits in 472 packets. And tcpdump shows a different value anyway. What's going on here???? (Note that I modified the script from last night slightly as a troubleshooting step. That's why there are 4 rules below instead of two rules.) [root@fw firewall-scripts]# /usr/sbin/tcpdump -i eth0 host abc.def.ghi.jkl -n . . . 768 packets received by filter 0 packets dropped by kernel [root@fw firewall-scripts]# /usr/local/sbin/iptables -L -v -n -t mangle Chain PREROUTING (policy ACCEPT 25M packets, 14G bytes) pkts bytes target prot opt in out source destination 293 64981 DSCP all -- * * 192.168.16.4 0.0.0.0/0 DSCP set 0x2e 0 0 DSCP all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 192.168.16.4 DSCP set 0x2e 0 0 DSCP all -- * * abc.def.ghi.jkl 0.0.0.0/0 DSCP set 0x2e 179 36722 DSCP all -- * * 0.0.0.0/0 abc.def.ghi.jkl DSCP set 0x2e Here is the exact script that generated the rules above: [root@fw firewall-scripts]# more vtc-ds.sh #!/bin/sh VTC1_PRIVATE="192.168.16.4" VTC1_PUBLIC="abc.def.ghi.jkl" IPTABLES="/usr/local/sbin/iptables" $IPTABLES -t mangle -F $IPTABLES -t mangle -A PREROUTING -s $VTC1_PRIVATE -j DSCP --set-dscp-class EF $IPTABLES -t mangle -A PREROUTING -d $VTC1_PRIVATE -j DSCP --set-dscp-class EF $IPTABLES -t mangle -A PREROUTING -s $VTC1_PUBLIC -j DSCP --set-dscp-class EF $IPTABLES -t mangle -A PREROUTING -d $VTC1_PUBLIC -j DSCP --set-dscp-class EF [root@fw firewall-scripts]# - Greg Scott -----Original Message----- From: lartc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lartc-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Greg Scott Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 11:15 PM To: lartc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Very simple traffic shaping script for H.323 Hello - What I want to do seems very simple - I want to make sure any H.323 traffic gets processed before anything else entering or leaving this network. The network has a videoconferencing device on the LAN at 192.168.16.4. A Linux firewall NATs an external IP Address to this internal address and I have appropriate SNAT and DNAT rules that work. The NAT and connection tracking rules all work great. Now I need to make sure other traffic in and out of this network does not interfere with the H.323 flow. After pouring over several RFCs, Howto documents, and lots of other documentation, I think this very simple script will do the trick. The theory - by default, all interfaces have a classless PFIFO queue with three bands. So all I need to do is set the appropriate DS bits in the packet header to the EF (Expedited Forward) value and everything else will just work. Linux will put the packets in the top PFIFO priority band and they'll go thru my Firewall at Warp 9.9 regardless of other traffic from other users. Assumptions: (1) I don't care about slowing down other traffic flows. H.323 packets should be serviced first no matter what. (2) Any traffic with source or destination public IP Address "abc.def.ghi.jkl" or private IP Address 192.168.16.4 is to/from from the videoconference device. After all the reading and studying, is it really this simple? Does anyone have ideas on how to test this? How do I watch packets to see which packets go into what PFIFO band? #!/bin/sh VTC1_PRIVATE="192.168.16.4" VTC1_PUBLIC="abc.def.ghi.jkl" IPTABLES="/usr/local/sbin/iptables" $IPTABLES -t mangle -F $IPTABLES -t mangle -A PREROUTING -s $VTC1_PRIVATE -j DSCP --set-dscp-class EF $IPTABLES -t mangle -A PREROUTING -d $VTC1_PUBLIC -j DSCP --set-dscp-class EF thanks - Greg Scott _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc _______________________________________________ LARTC mailing list LARTC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://mailman.ds9a.nl/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/lartc